New sell prices and pay-to-play features

[RWEmpire]

I should probably start off by saying that I love this game, just not where it's headed. With the new anniversary update came some changes, starting with the highly requested "Collect all" button. I was filled with joy at the sight of it, not wanting to spend fifteen minutes collecting money anymore. My happiness was cut short when I noticed you could only use it once per 24 hours, unless you make an in-app purchase. This is just another way for the game to say "You don't HAVE to spend anything to play, but just think about all the features!". I like that players who contribute to the game are rewarded, but blocking something as necessary as a collect all button? And then there's the new sell prices, which have decimated my income. Let's say you waited the required forty hours it takes to hatch a fire oasis three-elemental, and wanted to sell it. The old selling price was a fantastic one million coins, making the wait worth it. The new selling price is an appalling 225,000. And this isn't just for fire oasis, nor just the three-elemental. It's EVERY monster. That good-old level ten entbrat? Sells for 100,000. It can generate that much in a few hours. That ghazt you bred with a 1% chance of success? 750,000 selling price. This makes monster breeding and incubation times unbearable if it's not what you wanted. The game has it's fair share of problems already, such as currency being overpriced, (Ex: one key is five dollars, and you need 49 keys to get all dipsters on Ethereal Island), the obviously rigged memory game (despite their claims it's not), the impossible Celestial Island, and the uneventful weekly scratch for that useless mammot for the fifth time. All of these issues are avoidable, but with each update comes more. Every week they have new sales on currency, claiming it's "limited time" or that there is "one left in stock". It honestly feels like they are selling out, and that kills me to think about because of my love for the game. Let us hope it stops this fall from grace.

[RWEmpire]

Originally posted by krunjar:

@Batabil To clarify I don't mean whales who just buy diamond packs up the wazoo. I'm talking about players with a lot of progression that have idle breeding structures that they can use to churn out monsters for 1 mil a pop in addition to their island income. People with lots of actual ingame income and infrastructure which makes this kind of stuff worthwhile.

You are forgetting something. Late-game players have little to no use for money other than cosmetic, whether that be island cosmetic or skins. And it would only make sense for a player that has maxed out their islands to be rewarded as such. The game was never bent against new players, those players were simply new. Everyone was new once, so it isn't like rich players didn't work for what they have. Also, an early fire island never offset the game for new players. The fire island's riches were counteracted by their quad-elemental's rarity. I can't even tell what you support anymore, since you've expressed both a liking and disliking towards methods of progression. You are for a new player obtaining five islands in a matter of days, but against a new player obtaining a fire island.

[krunjar]

That's VERY late game. There are different stages. By any sane logic no one with "no use for coins" would be here complaining about monsters not selling for as much anymore. I would have thought that was obvious.

[RWEmpire]

Originally posted by krunjar:

That's VERY late game. There are different stages. By any sane logic no one with "no use for coins" would be here complaining about monsters not selling for as much anymore. I would have thought that was obvious.

That was in reference to that "rich get richer" comment, clearly. I wasn't using that as the reasoning behind this entire debate. And if that is your only pull from everything we've discussed, this conversation, (with you at least), is useless. If you want to suck up to the devs, be my guest. We just don't find the update reasonable.

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by krunjar:

@Batabil To clarify I don't mean whales who just buy diamond packs up the wazoo. I'm talking about players with a lot of progression that have idle breeding structures that they can use to churn out monsters for 1 mil a pop in addition to their island income. People with lots of actual ingame income and infrastructure which makes this kind of stuff worthwhile.

people aren't really "rich" just because they have every island unlocked, and this is still a legitimate issue that stagnates progression, not just "rich people whining" . Treats cost coins too.

[krunjar]

At this point you're doing the classic forum ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of forcing me to explain every single minutia of a perfectly reasonable and understandable point by making dumb arguments against every single sentence in a bid to be "right"

Frankly .. If there is to be a "winner" in these discussions which I don't believe is entirely necessary. Then I won the moment you accused me of "sucking up to the devs." Rather than refuting any of my points. You seem to be offended. But I am honestly baffled how you don't see how arguing that late game players have no use for coins but .. they need more coins .. is a ridiculous assertion to make.

This isn't a "legitimate Issue" The very fact that you don't think having every island makes you "rich" in game rather makes you part of the problem. Your progression slowed down it didn't stop. And if you take your time and fill out all the islands you'll make millions anyway. So yes I assert that the complainers are just that .. complainers. There is literally no problem it's just some game re balancing that doesn't favor them.

Also as for "sucking up to the devs." I have plenty of criticisms about this game. Mostly focusing on ease of use. And having to click too much to get anything done. Accompanied with the standard annoyance about the extremely pervasive pop up adds. You want to talk to me about that stuff being bad I'll be right there with you. Painting me as "just a fanboy." Is your defence mechanism. Because that's preferable to you than the idea that I might have a point. You should reevaluate how you approach debate. Because right now it's juvenile.

I don't have to humour children, or manchildren. Who spit the dummy and start putting words in my mouth when things don't go their way. So peace out.

[RWEmpire]

Originally posted by krunjar:

At this point you're doing the classic forum ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of forcing me to explain every single minutia of a perfectly reasonable and understandable point by making dumb arguments against every single sentence in a bid to be "right"

Frankly .. If there is to be a "winner" in these discussions which I don't believe is entirely necessary. Then I won the moment you accused me of "sucking up to the devs." Rather than refuting any of my points. You seem to be offended. But I am honestly baffled how you don't see how arguing that late game players have no use for coins but .. they need more coins .. is a ridiculous assertion to make.

This isn't a "legitimate Issue" The very fact that you don't think having every island makes you "rich" in game rather makes you part of the problem. Your progression slowed down it didn't stop. And if you take your time and fill out all the islands you'll make millions anyway. So yes I assert that the complainers are just that .. complainers. There is literally no problem it's just some game re balancing that doesn't favor them.

Also as for "sucking up to the devs." I have plenty of criticisms about this game. Mostly focusing on ease of use. And having to click too much to get anything done. Accompanied with the standard annoyance about the extremely pervasive pop up adds. You want to talk to me about that stuff being bad I'll be right there with you. Painting me as "just a fanboy." Is your defence mechanism. Because that's preferable to you than the idea that I might have a point. You should reevaluate how you approach debate. Because right now it's juvenile.

I don't have to humour children, or manchildren. Who spit the dummy and start putting words in my mouth when things don't go their way. So peace out.

You quoted so much that I didn't say. And this back and forth between us has been a clash of points, which you ignored so that you could consolidate the debate into one single argument. I never once said having every island doesn't make you rich, I only said that players who have maxed their islands out have little need for the money gained. What's to buy if there is nothing to buy? And that's not at all to say this debate has been only about the top one percent, that's just what you decided it was about. And let's say for a second I own every island, and that I have bought every castle upgrade with coins... What is there to buy? That's what I meant by what I said. So in short, progress does stop in regards to coins.

[Snekofthe]

You quoted so much that he didn't say so just go back to your discord kittens will you instead of pulling fake quotes out of your ass. ok?

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

I feel like he's just kinda conflating all our arguments into one.

[Rael]

Wow. Maybe we need to refocus on the point rather than the points we are using to back up our stances? Don't crucify me for this as all of our point are valid in their own way.
But, and correct me if I am wrong (try to stay civil),
(1) BBB has cut sell prices for eggs this benefits no-one but BBB as it increases the likely-hood of people buying their currency packs because there is less earning value in the game system which ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ progression,
(2) BBB has dropped the purchase price of island and castles (which are a one time spend so the gain for players here is negligible),
(3) was there more than that?
Please, lets stop getting personal about this its not one another we should be attacking its BBB's practices over a game we all have a stake in.
Take a step back, take a deep breath and think about it for a few hours, then post.

[Rael]

Wow it censored my word.
Really
Exist
To
Angry
Red
Dog
Stations
Just take the first letter of each word and apply by its ACTUAL definition in the context of my sentence.
The software still has a long way to go apparently.

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by Rael:

Wow it censored my word.

Then don't say it? There's other words that aren't related to slurs, even if you are using it in the proper verb form in this case.

[mskitty]

Originally posted by Rael:

Wow it censored my word.
Really
Exist
To
Angry
Red
Dog
Stations
Just take the first letter of each word and apply by its ACTUAL definition in the context of my sentence.
The software still has a long way to go apparently.

When a word is censored out it can still be viewed by clicking on quote of the post, fyi.

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by mskitty:

When a word is censored out it can still be viewed by clicking on quote of the post, fyi.

Yeah but that seems like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ filter then.

[Rael]

Thanks mskitty, I didn't know that.

[mskitty]

Originally posted by Batabii • Shovel Knight: TT:

Originally posted by mskitty:

When a word is censored out it can still be viewed by clicking on quote of the post, fyi.

Yeah but that seems like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ filter then.

It kinda is, but you don't have look lol.