Too bad we had Gameforge as publisher and cannot get this.

[ye]

https://gjolintl.wangyuan.com/2023/05/23/004328.shtml

[Splashbang]

引用自 ye：

Below is a quote from Reddit forum "two years ago", what that guy said had come true :dracocry:
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saw the teaser for the new expansion. The new zones look nice and I wanna see more of them!

I think most of us are confident in the devs, it's Gameforge that has some apologizing to do.
Gameforge: ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the translations, half-assed the voice acting localization, is starting to hike prices in the cash shop, and are responsible for the lack of advertising that lead to the Western release having an abysmally low population.
And because of Gameforge's mistakes, I'm convinced that NA/EU SOLO is not going to last a full year.
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Well, at least Solo last longer than what he said, lol

I predicted the fall of SOLO in the west in my review of the game when it released.

[ye]

引用自 LAMBDA471：

The game failed because it was a POS trash that felt like a mobile port on PC without even being on mobile.

Whoever the publisher was, it would have still tanked just as massively and just as fast. No amount of advertising or a different business model would have saved it.

The game was just developed poorly by the developers and no publisher can fix that.

When the game is as stupid as this where you're forced through almost 60 minute tutorial you can't skip and quests are as brain-dead as kill 3 mobs right behind the questgiver NPC that die from 1 hit, you can't possibly hope for such a stupid game to succeed.

I've had more fun playing old grinders, like:

- Silkroad Online
- Talisman Online
- TwelveSky 2
- Metin2
- Lineage 2
- 9Dragons Online
- Kal Online

thank this, at least in those trashy Asian grinders, there is no forced tutorial and it takes a few days before the game starts feeling brain-dead you start feeling like an idiot for playing it, in SOLO - this sinks in 2 minutes into the game.

So no matter what different publisher had the game, it would still flop instantly and be shut down. If the game was at least a WoW clone (mechanics-wise and gameplay loop-wise), it might have been a bigger success. It's just a stupid game you play on mobile, the only thing it was missing was Auto Play where the game plays itself while you wonder why you even exist.

I found some posts in other SOLO forums besides Steam that are very similar to the post above, even though the names are not the same, it is very likely posted by the same person. Someone goes all the way out to save Gameforge bad reputation. LOL

[ye]

引用自 Splashbang：

引用自 ye：

Some reviewers said that Perfect New world will be very heavy on P2W, we will see if it is true when it goes live,
Not much news about World of Jade Dynasty lately, it does look a lot like Solo

Anything coming out of Perfect World Entertainment = P2W. I mean, just look at STO and Champions Online and their other games. 100% P2W BS.

I reinstall NeverWinter Online with Steam and check it out, my old account still working and all my gears and characters that I spent thousands of dollars to get are still there(even my guild still there after so many years !!!!!), but they are sort of useless now and lost all their values compare to the new gears. Guess if I want to play now then I will have to spend even more money or time. However the best gears in the game only come from the dungeons or raids, you cannot just buy them with money, you can skip the long grind time with real money to speed up and join those dungeons or raid to get them if your RNG luck is good and have some combat skills and being accepted to join a good team. You also cannot get the most powerful class character by buying it, you have to have RNG luck too.
100% pay to win ? No, but how many % is up to you.
For me compare to Solo in value, Solo is a much better game because I only spend a few hundred dollars on it for the game itself plus outfits and mounts and housing, I had fun with it for over 5,000 hours, more if Gameforge does not shutting it down, I only dislike Gameforge for messing up the game, not the game itself.
Solo is my first Chinese game, my impression on it is pretty good except for the English translation that make me hard to understand a lot of things in the game. Also when I first start this game, there were a lot of toxic players among the two of three thousand players that I saw at that time,unlike now, there were only a few dungeons. They could started the game with better upgraded version since they were there already in CN. Solo never has a big player Population like others big titles from what I saw. I didn't even heard about it until I found it on Steam by chance. That showed how little effort that Gameforge put in to let people knew about the game.

[Splashbang]

引用自 ye：

引用自 Splashbang：

Anything coming out of Perfect World Entertainment = P2W. I mean, just look at STO and Champions Online and their other games. 100% P2W BS.

I reinstall NeverWinter Online with Steam and check it out, my old account still working and all my gears and characters that I spent thousands of dollars to get are still there(even my guild still there after so many years !!!!!), but they are sort of useless now and lost all their values compare to the new gears. Guess if I want to play now then I will have to spend even more money or time. However the best gears in the game only come from the dungeons or raids, you cannot just buy them with money, you can skip the long grind time with real money to speed up and join those dungeons or raid to get them if your RNG luck is good and have some combat skills and being accepted to join a good team. You also cannot get the most powerful class character by buying it, you have to have RNG luck too.
100% pay to win ? No, but how many % is up to you.
For me compare to Solo in value, Solo is a much better game because I only spend a few hundred dollars on it for the game itself plus outfits and mounts and housing, I had fun with it for over 5,000 hours, more if Gameforge does not shutting it down, I only dislike Gameforge for messing up the game, not the game itself. Solo is my first Chinese game, my impression on it is pretty good except for the English translation that make my hard to understand a lot of things in the game.

See, this is the problem. You don't know what pay to win is and you don't know what pay for convenience is.

Neverwinter Online is a 100% P2W game because you need to unlock lockboxes and obtain the legendary mounts for their legendary skills, which is the META in raids and other content such as PVP, and in order to unlock the lootboxes that drop, you need to purchase keys with real money, unless of course, you want to spend months farming for just enough to purchase one single key.

I've played these kind of games since Ultima Online released back in 96 when we had to play online games using a slow 33.6Kbps modem until we got to 97 and they started selling us 56Kbps modems.

First of all. All Asian MMORPGs are heavily monetized through their cash shops and most of them are P2W. There's only a handful of exceptions if even that, who are Pay for Convenience aka pay for exp boosts or other items that doesn't give you a direct advantage over other players like the legendary loot box mounts in Neverwinter Online does, or the companions which is also another P2W element in Neverwinter Online. Legendary companions are also the meta for most content and they can only be obtained for real money..

Going back to Asian MMORPGs, yes, they are mostly P2W as i said, with a few exceptions.

In most F2P asian MMORPGs you'll find that the cash shops sell gear with massive stat boosts, or gear that scale with your character's level and the stats will always be better than anything you can find in dungeons

As for SOLO, it was bound to be doomed because of the horrible voice over that didn't match the text Localization in general and the extremely overpriced cash shop. All of which GameForge are directly responsible for. The only thing the devs are responsible for, is the game itself. The content and mechanics and what gets added to the cash shop.

That's kind of the problem when Asian MMORPGs release here in the west. They tend to get a western publisher for their game, and that's where everything can go wrong.

[ye]

For NeverWinter, pay for convenience is true, you shorten the grinding time a lot if you willing to pay, but everything you can buy with real money you can also get them by grinding if you don't mind spending the time. Someone have to pay for the game, either by money or by time, nothing is free in any game.
As for pay to win 100%, I don't agree, you have some small advantages but not a lot, I have the best character Classes, best mounts and best companions and best of everything that money could buy (keys for lockboxes, its random item if you open it, normal good mount and companion if other players put them up for sale cost too much, seldom anyone willing to buy those ) I had one of the best guild that guide me through, I know by experience, besides you can get any of those too if you don't mind grinding for it. For the top gears and sometimes even special mount, everyone have to work for it the same way,those are not from lockboxes, you have no chance of buying any of those with money. RNG luck is the only thing that count if that gear would drop after your team finished the dungeon or raid.
I didn't played much PVP so I don't know but I haven't heard about other players complained about P2W in PVP the time I was there. I guess you can buy better gears but not the top one.
I had tried Ultima Online and had some fun and surprise when it was still in beta, but I got PK kill so many times that I lost interest in it.
I have played so many other western games since and I can say all of them has some level of P2W or pay for convenience in some way no matter how you look at it.
As for free to play, it is a joke, nothing is free. Gaming business is still business,however some are more reliable and honest than the others.

[Splashbang]

引用自 ye：

For NeverWinter, pay for convenience is true, you shorten the grinding time a lot if you willing to pay, but everything you can buy with real money you can also get them by grinding if you don't mind spending the time.

This is completely wrong. You can't grind to get the legendary companions, legendary mounts and certain other stuff in Neverwinter Online. Those are things that can only be obtained through loot boxes and these items give you a massive advantage over other non-paying players, which is P2W.

引用自 ye：

Someone have to pay for the game, either by money or by time, nothing is free in any game.
As for pay to win 100%, I don't agree, you have some advantages but not a lot, I have the best character Classes, best mounts and best companions and best of everything that money can buy and even one of the best guild that guide me through and I know, besides you can get any of those too if you don't mind grinding for it, For the top gears and sometimes even special mount, everyone have to work for it the same way, you have no chance of buying any of those with money.

I'm sorry to say that you clearly don't know what you're talking about, and that's that.

As mentioned before, the best mounts and companions are the legendary mounts and companions that can ONLY BE OBTAINED THROUGH LOOT BOXES that you have to pay real money for. This is a fact, deal with it and stop lying about things that doesn't exist.

I don't believe you for one second when you say you've got the best mounts, companions and the best of everything that money can buy without having spent a single dime on loot boxes.

Legendary mounts and companions are the META. If you don't know what a meta in gaming is, i suggest you look it up.

There is NO WAY to obtain legendary mounts without someone having bought loot box keys. It's the exact same way with the best companions. No, the best companions and mounts are not the epic ones aka purple ones. The best and the meta mounts and companions are legendary aka orange colored items.

The best gear you can get is also something you can pay for, and that makes the game 100% P2W. It's in the literal definition of P2W. Paying for advantages by purchasing power directly through gear or other items. Just take all the other one-time use items that you need to spend real money on, and it all adds up real fast.

Again, you don't seem to understand the difference between P2W and Pay for Convenience. Paying for convenience is buying an exp boost to level up faster, but it doesn't really affect anyone else in any way, because in MMORPGs, the real game starts at max level. Everything before that is just a solo experience for the most part, with the exception of doing dungeons while progressing to max level.

引用自 ye：

RNG luck is the only thing that count.
I didn't played much PVP so I don't know but I haven't heard about other players complained about P2W the time I was there.
I had tried Ultima Online and had some fun and surprise when it was still in beta, but I got PK kill so many times that I lost interest in it.
I have played so many other western games since and I can say all of them has some level of P2W or pay for convenience in some way no matter how you look at it.
As for free to play, it is a joke, nothing is free. Gaming business is still business,however some are more reliable and honest than the others.

You need RNG for the loot boxes for sure, that's why it's called a loot box because it's a gambling mechanism in games to make people spend more real life money on them to get what they want, which in Neverwinter Online's case is the legendary stuff you can't get anywhere else.

'so many western games'.. I chuckled at this..

No. You're mixing things up here. We're talking about F2P MMORPGs, not just 'any game'..

This is where i'm just calling you out on not having a single clue of what you're talking about.

I highly doubt you played the Ultima Online beta. If you did start playing MMORPGs at that point in time, you'd know what P2W is and the difference between P2W and Pay for Convenience.

How were you able to get into the beta?

[ye]

I have play Ultima Online when it first appear, they didn't called it beta at that time, but they reset the game almost everyday and you have to do a fresh restart everytime and I don't have to pay for it for anything. They don't even have player housing yet. Richard Garriott appeared in the game much later and call himself Lord British something and gave some of us free in game gifts,
I agree NeverWinter is pay for convenience 100% but I still don't agree with you that it is pay to win 100% There are things that you can get only from hardworks , raids or dungeons if you have the skill, not from lockboxes. Legend mounts that you get from lockboxes are not the best, so as the gears. You can spend money more than the whales and there were a lot of them, but there is not even 30% more chance that you can win by that. The whales are major reason Neverwinter online can last more than 10 years and still going and Solo only 2 years and have to shut down. In my opinion Solo is a lot better except for the voice acting and localization.
Also as I said before, everything that you can get from lockboxes you can buy it from other players by grinding for in game currency astro diamonds or exchange it to Zens and buy directly from the store.
The only different is they pay for convenience and have shorter grinding time.

[Splashbang]

引用自 ye：

I have play Ultima Online when it first appear, they didn't called it beta at that time, but they reset the game almost everyday and you have to do a fresh restart everytime and I don't have to pay for it for anything. They don't even have player housing yet. Richard Garriott appeared in the game much later and call himself Lord British something and gave some of us free in game gifts,
I agree NeverWinter is pay for convenience 100% but I still don't agree with you that it is pay to win 100% There are things that you can get only from hardworks , raids or dungeons if you have the skill, not from lockboxes. Legend mounts that you get from lockboxes are not the best, so as the gears.
Also as I said before, everything that you can get from lockboxes you can buy it from other players by grinding for in game currency astro diamonds or exchange it to Zens and buy directly from the store.
The only different is they pay for convenience and have shorter grinding time.

History Lesson Time!

Yes, they did actually call it beta back then. You could receive a beta disc if you were lucky enough.

Yes, they had player housing, to some extent.

I was there.. Playtesting the game.

He didn't give away gifts to everyone and Garriott was also the creator of Ultima Online. He appeared in the beta and was ultimately killed by another player in said beta where he used a fire field scroll on Garriott's character 'Lord British', where said player got banned for life.

To add more fuel to the fire, another developer summoned in an army of demons to kill the player who killed Garriott's character 'Lord British', only to fail as they ended up killing every other player, well almost all of us anyway. My character got killed as well.

This was just a result of Garriott forgetting to re-enable his god mode powers after a server reset, that happened to get one player banned for life, for trying to have a good time during the beta in-game event.
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Astro Diamonds is the same BS system they use for STO and it takes players months of hard core grinding to get enough to buy keys to open enough loot boxes to get legendary mounts and companions and whatever else they've got in them as part of the metas.

A friend of mine spent 1 whole year grinding for enough diamonds to be able to afford enough keys to get him a legendary mount and a companion.

In that year, he wasn't allowed to join raids or other in-game content because he didn't have a meta build. He could've gotten it if he had bothered spending real money, but he didn't, and that was his loss.

Of course you wouldn't agree that it's P2W because you don't know what P2W is, and that's that. Enjoy your P2W games.

[ye]

I don't remember I got any beta disc,I left Ultima beta because I got sick of getting killed by other players for no reason all the time, I think that is why I hate PVP in games, I got killed all the time in Solo too when I first started and leveling because I had no clue how to turn PVP off,
I spent thousands of dollars in Neverwinter online but I still unable to get the gears I want from the raid and I could not buy it from other players since it is bound to character. I did grinding for the best mount since I cannot buy it with money. Your friend join the wrong guild if they don't let you do raids because of the gears, some guild even loan guild members some good gears. My own experience was most players rather choose skills and know how than gears or mounts or companions.
Everyone opinion about what P2W is difference, otherwise they will have a written rule for it. For me Neverwinter online is 50% P2W. At the higher level, everyone have the same chance, pay or not. Best bought gears means nothing, those were not the best, but I don't know if they have changed it since I have not play it for years. I don't even know what is the best gears, mount or companion now.

[ye]

I played NeverWinter Online for many years before I left for Solo, I am sure you can buy any legends mounts from other players in auction house if you keep grinding for Astral diamonds and refine them. You can also exchange those for Zens and just buy the lockbox key and gamble with your luck. For special mount, only grinding will get it, no other way around. You don't have to spend a penny if you have patience grinding astral diamonds for those legend mounts. It may take a while but you will get it, I tell you again the mounts from the lockboxes were not the best latest mounts, those are good but not the best.

[ye]

There were other online games with not so bad graphic that I played even before Ultima Online, it was The Realm from Sierra Online and also from AOL the Neverwinter Nights , not same as Neverwinter online.
Hopefully I can find other games that I like before Solo got shut down, I don't care if they are P2W,F2P,B2P or P2P.

[Erzekkes]

is there any way to play in the chinese serv? ( i understand the language)

[Kaezeribato]

引用自 Ave：

引用自 Izeyash：

Would have happened with any other publisher. Can't change my mind.

game is still more alive then FFXIV

More alive than the MMO with the hightest player count? What are you smoking?

引用自 ye：

I have play Neverwinter from Perfect World Entertainment, lots of lockboxes for you to open if you buy the keys with real money. If your RNG luck is good, you can get fast nice looking mount or other good items,also you can also buy sometimes to skip your grind time, not 100% P2W, perhaps 50% I say, but unlike Gameforge, they keep up with the updates and add new things from time to time. They also don't use high school drama class students to do their voice acting and translations.

It is not the publisher that update a game... It's the dev...
Each and every single time someone trash Gameforge they cant even understand something this simple.

Each time a game published by Gameforge is shut down it's simply because the dev stopped working on it. Kingdom Under Fire 2 was the same, people screamed at Gameforge for shutting down the game, and ignored that the dev abandoned it a few month after it's release.

[Kaezeribato]

引用自 Erzekkes：

is there any way to play in the chinese serv? ( i understand the language)

Most online game require a Chinese ID to be played there, it could be faisable but you'll have a realy hard time.

[Chupi]

Not true, the people leave the game because its hardcore and have no skill for the raids. Isnt a game for play a few weeks, leave and back later... its a game for stay playing and thats not work in this "casuals I play everything" days.