Too bad we had Gameforge as publisher and cannot get this.

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https://gjolintl.wangyuan.com/2023/05/23/004328.shtml

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Nguyên văn bởi Ave:

Nguyên văn bởi Izeyash:

Would have happened with any other publisher. Can't change my mind.

game is still more alive then FFXIV

FFXIV is far from dead. It's the only true competitor to WoW and have far more players than most MMORPGs combined due to being out on both Playstation and PC, unless you can prove me wrong with actual data showing just how 'dead' FFXIV is, which i doubt you'll find anywhere.

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Nguyên văn bởi ye:

Some reviewers said that Perfect New world will be very heavy on P2W, we will see if it is true when it goes live,
Not much news about World of Jade Dynasty lately, it does look a lot like Solo

Anything coming out of Perfect World Entertainment = P2W. I mean, just look at STO and Champions Online and their other games. 100% P2W BS.

[ye]

When Solo shut down and this forum close, I will move to Reddit forum, they have rules that guard against troll, that troll here won't survive there.

[ye]

I have play Neverwinter from Perfect World Entertainment, lots of lockboxes for you to open if you buy the keys with real money. If your RNG luck is good, you can get fast nice looking mount or other good items,also you can also buy sometimes to skip your grind time, not 100% P2W, perhaps 50% I say, but unlike Gameforge, they keep up with the updates and add new things from time to time. They also don't use high school drama class students to do their voice acting and translations.

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Nguyên văn bởi ye:

I have play Neverwinter from Perfect World Entertainment, lots of lockboxes for you to open if you buy the keys,if your RNG luck is good, you get fast nice looking mount or other items, you can buy sometimes to skip your grind time, not 100% P2W, perhaps 50% I say, but unlike Gameforge, they keep up with the updates and add new things from time to time.

Yeah, so you clearly don't know what you're talking about...

Neverwinter Online from PWE is 100% P2W..

Why the heck do you think people hoard loot boxes and spend thousands of dollars every week to open them? They do it to get the legendary mounts and other valuable and necessary items. It's the same system for STO.

The legendary mounts from these loot boxes is the META for the PVE content in Neverwinter Online, and it's the same thing with the weapons/consoles/crew members and ships in STO's loot boxes as well.

That is 100% P2W and it's also gambling, which is illegal in a lot of European countries now.

I've played both games for a very long time, so i definitely know what i'm talking about. I actually started playing STO when it released, and same for NWO.

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I play Neverwinter for a couple of years before I left for SOLO, I still have the account there and the game had updates and still there. It is more than 10 years old but still has many players and guilds, I am sorry for Solo because Solo is a better game.

I know it has lots of P2W elements but certainly not 100%. All things related to RNG in game is sort of gambling, you either gamble with time or with money, like you run some dungeon hundred times just to get the one thing you want, you lose time but not money. Time is money, it is the same thing.

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Nguyên văn bởi ye:

I play Neverwinter for a couple of years before i left for SOLO, I still have the account there and the game had updates and still there. It is more than 10 years old but still has many players and guilds.

I know it has lots of P2W elements but certainly not 100%.

Yes, they have updates, but they're 100% P2W, well, 90% if you look past the cosmetics.. That's just a solid, undeniable fact, because without the legendary mounts in NWO, you'll be hard pressed to get accepted into active guilds doing raids and other content. The same goes for STO because the loot box ships are so much better than anything you can ever unlock for free. Heck, even the cash shop ships are ten times better than the ones you unlock through playing the game, and finally the legendary gear/consoles etc in the STO loot boxes are the meta as well as the super rare ships, which will make it real hard for people who doesn't have any of it to find an active fleet.

I experimented with this, and the result was the same for pretty much every medium to large, active fleets. I told them i was a new player and didn't spend money in the cash shop to unlock loot boxes and never will. The reply i got from every one of them was 'No, you need to spend money once or twice per week on loot box keys', and the same BS goes for NWO as well.

However, if you're not looking to raid or do PVP in neither of the games, sure, there are options, but they're limited to small, inactive/barely active fleets/guilds in both games.

Obviously, they also sell cosmetics in both games, but that's something all F2P MMOs do, on top of their P2W elements which usually govern their cash shops.

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I did spend a lot of money in Neverwinter to skip the long grinding time or get a fast good looking mount. But you can also do some hard long grinding to get something similar to that if you don't want to spend any money.

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Swords of Legends online is better than Neverwinter online in many way but last only 2 years, Neverwinter online last more than 10 years and is still going, perhaps it is the publisher, or perhaps 100% Not P2W just don't work for gaming business. Someone have to spend either time or money to keep the game going and in good shape, its our choice,nothing is free. We cannot have both.
Gameforge Take the money and run policy is the worst.

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The game failed because it was a POS trash that felt like a mobile port on PC without even being on mobile.

Whoever the publisher was, it would have still tanked just as massively and just as fast. No amount of advertising or a different business model would have saved it.

The game was just developed poorly by the developers and no publisher can fix that.

When the game is as stupid as this where you're forced through almost 60 minute tutorial you can't skip and quests are as brain-dead as kill 3 mobs right behind the questgiver NPC that die from 1 hit, you can't possibly hope for such a stupid game to succeed.

I've had more fun playing old grinders, like:

- Silkroad Online
- Talisman Online
- TwelveSky 2
- Metin2
- Lineage 2
- 9Dragons Online
- Kal Online

thank this, at least in those trashy Asian grinders, there is no forced tutorial and it takes a few days before the game starts feeling brain-dead you start feeling like an idiot for playing it, in SOLO - this sinks in 2 minutes into the game.

So no matter what different publisher had the game, it would still flop instantly and be shut down. If the game was at least a WoW clone (mechanics-wise and gameplay loop-wise), it might have been a bigger success. It's just a stupid game you play on mobile, the only thing it was missing was Auto Play where the game plays itself while you wonder why you even exist.

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Nguyên văn bởi LAMBDA471:

The game failed because it was a POS trash that felt like a mobile port on PC without even being on mobile.

Whoever the publisher was, it would have still tanked just as massively and just as fast. No amount of advertising or a different business model would have saved it.

The game was just developed poorly by the developers and no publisher can fix that.

When the game is as stupid as this where you're forced through almost 60 minute tutorial you can't skip and quests are as brain-dead as kill 3 mobs right behind the questgiver NPC that die from 1 hit, you can't possibly hope for such a stupid game to succeed.

I've had more fun playing old grinders, like:

- Silkroad Online
- Talisman Online
- TwelveSky 2
- Metin2
- Lineage 2
- 9Dragons Online
- Kal Online

thank this, at least in those trashy Asian grinders, there is no forced tutorial and it takes a few days before the game starts feeling brain-dead you start feeling like an idiot for playing it, in SOLO - this sinks in 2 minutes into the game.

So no matter what different publisher had the game, it would still flop instantly and be shut down. If the game was at least a WoW clone (mechanics-wise and gameplay loop-wise), it might have been a bigger success. It's just a stupid game you play on mobile, the only thing it was missing was Auto Play where the game plays itself while you wonder why you even exist.

This game is trash ?, lol. You sure pull out a lot of trash talks here yourself, trying to make up something to defend Gameforge makes me laugh. Gameforge messed up this game with poor localization and voice acting plus absurd translation that nobody can understand, end of the story.
I hate mobile games and if Solo feel anything like a mobile games like you said,I wouldn't even touch it, let alone playing it everyday. I think you spend too much time on trash mobile games and they messed up your mind.

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Nguyên văn bởi ye:

This game is trash ?, lol. You sure pull out a lot of trash talks here yourself, trying to make up something to defend Gameforge makes me laugh. Gameforge messed up this game with poor localization and voice acting plus absurd translation that nobody can understand, end of the story.
I hate mobile games and if Solo feel anything like a mobile games like you said,I wouldn't even touch it, let alone playing it everyday. I think you spend too much time on trash mobile games and they messed up your mind.

What is this BS you're saying? I don't play mobile trash games, I know they play enough to know how stupid and pointless they are. The first thing I noticed when I played this POS game Swords and Legends Online is that it treats its players like it's a mobile game and it only has Auto Play removed. It treats players like they are mentally deficient and have a very short attention span.

I play real MMORPGs, like Turtle WoW, Star Wars Galaxies Legends so I know how to tell a good MMORPG for cheap mobile trash like Swords of Legends Online.

Turtle WoW and SWG Legends are private servers. Do you know why? Because both games are good, iconic and have following large enough to have private servers, that's right, multiple private servers, WoW probably even has had and still has thousands of them between 2004 and 2023.

Swords of Legends Online will never have a private server. Do you know why? Because it's a trash game and it doesn't have a following, nobody cared to play it when it was alive, because it was bad, that's why it died. Nobody will care enough to revive it as a private server.

Even ASTA Online: The War of Tears and Winds which was objectively a better MMORPG, when it died it didn't get a private server, because it didn't have a large enough following and not enough people cared about it.

Gameforge may be a lazy and incompetent publisher, but don't be so quick to blame them for the failure of this trash game.

Who do you think would have done the game better justice? Activision? Amazon Games? EA games? Nexon? Gamigo? Perfect World Entertainment? Papaya Play? Valofe? Garena? PlayPark?

The game is just bad and that's why it failed. Gameforge made it B2P, some misguided tourists bought it because they just don't know any better, even as B2P it died, because even the misguided tourists found out how bad the game was. Then Gameforge made it F2P, so everyone who wasn't completely clueless to waste good money on such trash game finally tried it for free and they also left immediately?

Do you know what that means? The game is trash and nobody wanted to play it. Gameforge can't do anything besides advertise the gam and hold events. Unless the Chinese developer is willing to give away more of the content to the Western version of the game, Gameforge can't do anything. If the game doesn't sell well, which happened, because the game is garbage, then the Chinese developer won't be inclined to give away more of the content for the Western version, because it would be a waste of time and money. And Gameforge won't renew their contract, because it's a waste of time and money to keep dead garbage games alive.


You might want to learn something about gaming if you are new to it and 15 years old, if you are older, I feel sorry for you that you haven't learned your lesson yet.

The lesson is:

If you are determined to waste your time and money on online-only live action games, make sure you do your research and play the most popular and successful games, the ones that are the most stable and provide the best safety that they won't shut down or release stupid updates that will ruin the game and push players away.

Another option is to play single player games that offer options for:

- limited multiplayer interaction
- dedicated servers
- offline play
- single player
- bots

This way whatever trash game you chose to play, like Swords of Legends for example, there is no chance that the game you play will ever stop working.

Now run along kid, I hope the next game you find is not some dead trash like Swords of Legends Online that will die less than a year after it launched.

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Sounds like somehow you are related to Gameforge and try to defend their reputation and made up all these garbage trash talks. I don't regret playing Solo everyday and have lots of fun with it for almost 2 years, My only regret is I didn't know Gameforge is such a bad publisher and I spent lots of money in the cash shop which benefit them. I wish you really haven't play a lot of trash mobile games and messed up you brain, Solo had survived almost two year even under Gameforge's lax care and negligent, not less than a year as you want to put it. Does you parents worked for Gameforge ?

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Nguyên văn bởi LAMBDA471:

Nguyên văn bởi ye:

This game is trash ?, lol. You sure pull out a lot of trash talks here yourself, trying to make up something to defend Gameforge makes me laugh. Gameforge messed up this game with poor localization and voice acting plus absurd translation that nobody can understand, end of the story.
I hate mobile games and if Solo feel anything like a mobile games like you said,I wouldn't even touch it, let alone playing it everyday. I think you spend too much time on trash mobile games and they messed up your mind.

What is this BS you're saying? I don't play mobile trash games, I know they play enough to know how stupid and pointless they are. The first thing I noticed when I played this POS game Swords and Legends Online is that it treats its players like it's a mobile game and it only has Auto Play removed. It treats players like they are mentally deficient and have a very short attention span.

I play real MMORPGs, like Turtle WoW, Star Wars Galaxies Legends so I know how to tell a good MMORPG for cheap mobile trash like Swords of Legends Online.

Turtle WoW and SWG Legends are private servers. Do you know why? Because both games are good, iconic and have following large enough to have private servers, that's right, multiple private servers, WoW probably even has had and still has thousands of them between 2004 and 2023.

Swords of Legends Online will never have a private server. Do you know why? Because it's a trash game and it doesn't have a following, nobody cared to play it when it was alive, because it was bad, that's why it died. Nobody will care enough to revive it as a private server.

Even ASTA Online: The War of Tears and Winds which was objectively a better MMORPG, when it died it didn't get a private server, because it didn't have a large enough following and not enough people cared about it.

Gameforge may be a lazy and incompetent publisher, but don't be so quick to blame them for the failure of this trash game.

Who do you think would have done the game better justice? Activision? Amazon Games? EA games? Nexon? Gamigo? Perfect World Entertainment? Papaya Play? Valofe? Garena? PlayPark?

The game is just bad and that's why it failed. Gameforge made it B2P, some misguided tourists bought it because they just don't know any better, even as B2P it died, because even the misguided tourists found out how bad the game was. Then Gameforge made it F2P, so everyone who wasn't completely clueless to waste good money on such trash game finally tried it for free and they also left immediately?

Do you know what that means? The game is trash and nobody wanted to play it. Gameforge can't do anything besides advertise the gam and hold events. Unless the Chinese developer is willing to give away more of the content to the Western version of the game, Gameforge can't do anything. If the game doesn't sell well, which happened, because the game is garbage, then the Chinese developer won't be inclined to give away more of the content for the Western version, because it would be a waste of time and money. And Gameforge won't renew their contract, because it's a waste of time and money to keep dead garbage games alive.


You might want to learn something about gaming if you are new to it and 15 years old, if you are older, I feel sorry for you that you haven't learned your lesson yet.

The lesson is:

If you are determined to waste your time and money on online-only live action games, make sure you do your research and play the most popular and successful games, the ones that are the most stable and provide the best safety that they won't shut down or release stupid updates that will ruin the game and push players away.

Another option is to play single player games that offer options for:

- limited multiplayer interaction
- dedicated servers
- offline play
- single player
- bots

This way whatever trash game you chose to play, like Swords of Legends for example, there is no chance that the game you play will ever stop working.

Now run along kid, I hope the next game you find is not some dead trash like Swords of Legends Online that will die less than a year after it launched.

Turtle WoW is the worst Pserver out there. Let's get that out of the way first. It's crap.

ASTA Online wasn't a bad game, it was mismanaged by its original publisher WebZen and was never properly marketed here in the west. It was very similar to vanilla WoW in terms of mechanics apart from the cash shop which is why it was also referred to as the 'Asian World of Warcraft'. It was re-released on Steam and later shut down for unknown reasons.

Let me make sure you understand this, the same way a 5 year old would.

The Developer is not the main reason that Swords of Legends didn't make it here in the west. GameForge is the main reason that the game didn't make it here in the west, because of mismanagement and greed.

GameForge handled localization and the cash shop, not the developer, and it was due to the localization and the cash shop that eventually led to the game being shut down here in the west.

While Swords of Legends is a bad game, poorly executed in general, GameForge is the main reason for its failure in the west. It is that simple, just like GameForge have buried other mmorpg's in the past by mismanaging them.

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Below is a quote from Reddit forum "two years ago", what that guy said had come true
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saw the teaser for the new expansion. The new zones look nice and I wanna see more of them!

I think most of us are confident in the devs, it's Gameforge that has some apologizing to do.
Gameforge: ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the translations, half-assed the voice acting localization, is starting to hike prices in the cash shop, and are responsible for the lack of advertising that lead to the Western release having an abysmally low population.
And because of Gameforge's mistakes, I'm convinced that NA/EU SOLO is not going to last a full year.
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Well, at least Solo last longer than what he said, lol