Theme park MMORPG or something more?

[McDinglefart]

Just a question. Not interested in games like wow and final fantasy 14 where you grind mindlessly to reach the top level to grind more and can be played solo easily.
Is this game actually challenging? Does it encourage people to team up, socializing to reach some goal?
As an old lineage2 player, I liked the core game where you needed a guild and work together to equip everyone, fight together for goals etc.
I'm missing this aspect from nowadays MMORPG, most are too convenient. You can do dungeons etc. without any interaction, just click the dungeon finder and auto party "hi, gg, bye".
Is this game challenging? Does it encourage team play? What's the endgame? Is it just grinding the same dungeons over and over again and furnishing your house or is there more? Drama? fighting with other guilds etc? Maybe territorial fights?
Thank you.

[TrueWarlord真の武]

WoW is nothing like what you're describing and none of the meaningull WoW endgame content can be played solo, you don't know what you're talking about.

While I'm not playing WoW shadowlands anymore and I really dislike this new "Activision/Blizzard", your "assumptions" is totally wrong. WoW is currently the most hard MMORPG on the market, by very very far.

It is true that one can alone level up very quick in WoW (most people level up in less the 3 days), but leveling is nothing but a tutorial, the meaningful endgame activities are "Mythic plus dungeons", "Mythic raids" and "PvP". There is no other way to get good gear. Neither of these activities are "grinds" and neither can be soled.

Most people can't finish a Mythic raid in WoW, and it is not because it is a "grind" as you imply, it is because it's freaking hard as hell and required a lot of individual skill, group skills, a good raid leader caller and crazy levels of synchronization. It takes WoW Pro-players entire weeks to finish a new WoW Mythic raid... Even pro-players need to spend days and nights wiping over and over to understand the fights and make crazy strategies to kill just one of the many bosses in a raid.

Now about Swords of Legends Online, first of all the game has PvE and PvP totally appart. PvE gear is nearly useless for PvP situation, and vice versa.

In PvP there is ranked arenas and battlegrounds, 3v3, 5v5, 10v10 and 15v15. Also there is a faction vs faction open world PvP and Guild vs Guild PvP.

Regards PvE, while the raids in SOLO are not as hard as Mythic WoW raids, the game is sure very challenging. Dungeons in Swords of Legends have 4 different difficulties, the last one being "extreme" is played from 5 up to 10 players and requires tons of communication, synchronization, knowing your class well (since are many DPS check mechanics) so on and so forth.

Just like WoW, in Swords of Legends Online leveling is easy, it is just a big tutorial most people will finish in less than 3 days.

[TrueWarlord真の武]

Originally posted by Kakas69:

just click the dungeon finder and auto party "hi, gg, bye".

Dude... The group finder in WoW literally puts you in the easy difficulty of the dungeon. It is made for people to have a first look at the instance...

After the group finder there is the Heroic difficulty (with better loot), the Mythic 0 difficulty (the first mythic tier gear reward) and finally the Mythic plus content, going from +1 up to wherever you can take. Better you and your group play, higher you will go and better will be your loot. Neither the heroic nor the mythic content can be "queued" in a group finder, you need to rely on your guild and friends.

You came here all cocky implying you are looking for "hard content" but it looks like you're a very casual noob player who never did anything but group finder easy difficulty?

I mean, any game will be easy if you decide to sit there wearing thash green gear and ignoring all the hard content...

[$CRWD]

Originally posted by Kakas69:

Just a question. Not interested in games like wow and final fantasy 14 where you grind mindlessly to reach the top level to grind more and can be played solo easily.

You've grossly mischaracterized both of these MMOs by reducing them to "mindless grinding." If you aim to reach endgame without grind, in any MMORPG, you're playing the wrong genre of RPGs. If you want MMORPGs, without grind, you're better off playing casually or roleplaying than concerning yourself with endgame. If you're looking for a game that forces socialization, you should probably look into sandbox MMOs, perhaps like EVE online, or sandbox games in general.

[SayKassandra]

Have you actually done real endgame in ff14 because it damn sure isn't easy 0_0 communication is key

[Okerlund]

I wouldn't be interested in those games either with those incorrect assumptions. Being a pure solo player myself (unless a dungeon is required to advance) it is all BS. I miss out on so much, especially in FFXIV, by not wanting to do anything beyond dungeon finder (which even I know is easy mode versions). I would need a guild and actually be social to do the harder stuff.

Hard to answer your question about this game when you don't even have any understanding about other MMOs. If we tell you it has a lot of social aspects and you instantly see a dungeon finder in this game (if it has one?), you will instantly assume there are no social aspects without doing an ounce of research beyond it.

The age of laziness.

[ScottyPippin]

Originally posted by Kakas69:

Just a question. Not interested in games like wow and final fantasy 14 where you grind mindlessly to reach the top level to grind more and can be played solo easily.

Sounds like you've never attempted raiding in wow or ffxiv. Those games don't place challenge on the levelling experience, because they're there to tell a story and teach you your class for the endgame where groups and teamwork are required.

Originally posted by Kakas69:

As an old lineage2 player,

Oh, so you want a game where the levelling experience IS the endgame.

No this game is the definition of a themepark mmo. But seeing as you've probably never tried raiding or group content beyond starter level training-dungeons, I'd expect it'd be much more of a challenge than you're expecting.

[McDinglefart]

Originally posted by TrueWarlord真の武:

Originally posted by Kakas69:

just click the dungeon finder and auto party "hi, gg, bye".

You came here all cocky

I don't think my question was "cocky". Calling others noobs because of simple questions makes you look cocky though.

The challenge I was talking about was not all about monsters HP values.

Originally posted by Pietro Metastasio:

You've grossly mischaracterized both of these MMOs by reducing them to "mindless grinding."

As I stated, I'm not a Theme park gamer. I get bored quickly by doing dungeons daily.
As my question implies, I'm more leaning towards sandbox games like eve online.
Running dungeons is fun, but for me, it's not the main point of the game.

What I'm looking is for socializing aspect where it's not all about PVE killing monsters over and over again with the endgame to finish X dungeon and get the fanciest equipment for the goal to bet the fanciest equipment currently available.

I just can't find much info about the "endgame" of SOLO, so I assume it's dungeon PVE or dungeon PVP and that's it?

There's no territorial warfare or sandbox-like goals for your guild? Just dungeons or sterile PVP arenas?

[TrueWarlord真の武]

I get it, you are bored of the easy difficulty dungeons presented in theme park MMORPGs, but also dont have enough skills to do the meaningful and hard mythic/extreme difficulties. So you keep pretending that theme parks MMORPGs like WoW are "easy", because you chose to do only the easy content, and never actually made any progress in the game since you're unable to even get in a mythic raid... You probably don't even know what it is and how it plays to be honest.

Anyway, if you don't like to grind forever braindead AI mobs, you don't like sandbox at all. Just take a look how Sandbox MMORPGs are, BDO for instance, even Albion online. Nearly no actual "challenge", kill thousands of brain dead mobs per day, everyday, forever. In a month you get enough silves to TRY to upgrade your gear. That is how sandbox MMORPGs are...

About SOLO, there is open world PvP and I already told you so, there is a Faction vs Faction open world PvP and even guild vs guild. There is also RANKED instanced arenas and battlegrounds, but I'm sure you get "bored" of RANKED content because it must be too easy for you, right? LMAO...

Just go play BDO dude... There you will find this kind of "fake challenge" you're looking forward to.

[McDinglefart]

Originally posted by TrueWarlord真の武:

I get it, you are bored of the easy difficulty dungeons presented in theme park MMORPGs, but also dont have enough skills to do the meaningful and hard mythic/extreme difficulties. So you keep pretending that theme parks MMORPGs like WoW are "easy", because you chose to do only the easy content, and never actually made any progress in the game since you're unable to even get in a mythic raid... You probably don't even know what it is and how it plays to be honest.

Anyway, if you don't like to grind forever braindead AI mobs, you don't like sandbox at all. Just take a look how Sandbox MMORPGs are, BDO for instance, even Albion online. Nearly no actual "challenge", kill thousands of brain dead mobs per day, everyday, forever. In a month you get enough silves to TRY to upgrade your gear. That is how sandbox MMORPGs are...

About SOLO, there is open world PvP and I already told you so, there is a Faction vs Faction open world PvP and even guild vs guild. There is also RANKED instanced arenas and battlegrounds, but I'm sure you get "bored" of RANKED content because it must be too easy for you, right? LMAO...

Just go play BDO dude... There you will find this kind of "fake challenge" you're looking forward to.

Do you really need to come out so aggressive and butthurt?
There are two differences between "Don't care" and "too hard". Not everyone has to like the same gameplay as you do. I don't have that much free time or will to spend 40eu just to find out it's another wow or ffx14 copy which does not interest me PERSONALLY.
I never got into that PvE dungeon thing (for me it's supplementary instead of goal) and I'm asking about the SOLO game end. So stop putting your words into my mouth.

Would like to hear more about that faction open PVP/guild vs guild thing though, but from someone who acts like a mature adult and not some childish prick.

[TrueWarlord真の武]

Originally posted by Kakas69:

Originally posted by TrueWarlord真の武:

I get it, you are bored of the easy difficulty dungeons presented in theme park MMORPGs, but also dont have enough skills to do the meaningful and hard mythic/extreme difficulties. So you keep pretending that theme parks MMORPGs like WoW are "easy", because you chose to do only the easy content, and never actually made any progress in the game since you're unable to even get in a mythic raid... You probably don't even know what it is and how it plays to be honest.

Anyway, if you don't like to grind forever braindead AI mobs, you don't like sandbox at all. Just take a look how Sandbox MMORPGs are, BDO for instance, even Albion online. Nearly no actual "challenge", kill thousands of brain dead mobs per day, everyday, forever. In a month you get enough silves to TRY to upgrade your gear. That is how sandbox MMORPGs are...

About SOLO, there is open world PvP and I already told you so, there is a Faction vs Faction open world PvP and even guild vs guild. There is also RANKED instanced arenas and battlegrounds, but I'm sure you get "bored" of RANKED content because it must be too easy for you, right? LMAO...

Just go play BDO dude... There you will find this kind of "fake challenge" you're looking forward to.

Do you really need to come out so aggressive and butthurt?
There are two differences between "Don't care" and "too hard".
I never got into that PvE dungeon thing (for me it's supplementary instead of goal) and I'm asking about the SOLO game end. So stop putting your words into my mouth.

Would like to hear more about that faction open PVP thing though, but from someone who acts like a mature adult and not some prick. Grow up.

Guess what? You can have your opinions and tastes without spreading misinformation and lies...

Just look at what you said about WoW:

Originally posted by Kakas69:

Not interested in games like wow and final fantasy 14 where you grind mindlessly to reach the top level to grind more and can be played solo easily.

What are you even talking about? You can't do ANY meaningful content in WoW playing alone... Just leveling, that is done in less than 3 days...

Originally posted by Kakas69:

So stop putting your words into my mouth.

You Are hypocrite and toxic... Anyone can read what you said, stop pretending already.

Originally posted by Kakas69:

There are two differences between "Don't care" and "too hard".

There are two differences between "having an opinion" and "being a complete ignorant person". Even pro-players that are very well paid by teams have a hard time doing WoW Mythic content, PUT YOURSELF IN YOUR PLACE you casual noob...

[McDinglefart]

My question was simple, is this theme park MMORPG or has sandbox elements. Simple.
Yet you call me toxic when numerous times you keep calling me a noob for unrelated things for my question.
I put you on the block, no time to waste on internet brawls with someone who has mental issues. Grow up and fix your anger issues.

[JeyJey]

Most news sites regarding mmos/videogames call it a themepark-mmo.

[HEAVY_METAL_SMITH]

This conversation does my head in, He not only answered all your questions but also educated you about your incorrect statements. SOLO has everything you are looking for BUT you only get out of it what you put in to it.

[Tyrone Biggums]

'' wow and final fantasy 14 where you grind mindlessly to reach the top level to grind more and can be played solo easily.''

i read the first sentence and i already know OP has no idea what there talking about

[McDinglefart]

And yet none of you can't explain what PVP-endgame guild vs guild content consist of. Just a bunch of useless pricks picking on someone with questions. What a waste of time it was to ask questions about the core gameplay of this game here.