The only scary thing about "The Horror" mode is how much it ruins the core game.

[Forgot7en]

What an amazing gaming experience, dying every 3 seconds, having to save scum the entire time because taking damage is practically unavoidable, and enemies with 9000 HP and bosses with 88888888 HP.

Not to mention traps EVERYWHERE. Let's add a million fire traps, more blades, and just spikes E V E R Y W H E R E

Then you decide enemies don't drop health anymore. At least make them drop ammo! No?? Well okay then! Guess I'll keep savescumming! This ♥♥♥♥ adds DAYS to game time, let alone hours! It'd be hilarious if it weren't so stupidly done.

What the ♥♥♥♥ is this, "I Wanna Be The Guy"??? This turns one of the best games ever made into unplayable garbage ffs.

I love this remaster but the added 'Hard' mode is absolute trash. ♥♥♥♥ off with this ♥♥♥♥. This Remaster was 10/10 before you added one of the worst game modes I've ever played. Breaking the game like this is typically reserved for ♥♥♥♥ mods. How embarrassing.

[Forgot7en]

Publicado originalmente por Zuko:

Publicado originalmente por Forgot7en:

It hurts. Shadow Man deserved so much better than this. Or better yet, don't put in a hard mode at all. The game's flawless as it is already, and this Remaster might be the best one ever made and isn't lacking in content and replayability in the slightest. It would've been so much more welcome if they'd developed a randomizer instead.

Or instead of them not including it because people like you didn't like it, you could just not play it? The normal mode still exists.

It amuses me to say this because I've always been the guy people say sucks at video games, but this mode really is just for people who are really, really good at the game. I'm not saying that you guys are bad at the game either. It's just that this mode isn't for you. It's for the pros.

Well, they put it in the game, so I will criticize it heavily for including a poorly-thought out mess that breaks the game. Good for you if you love it, but claiming only veterans will love it is absolute nonsense. Of course there's always an audience for likes this kind of bad game design, and if you have fun with it, that's great. I didn't, because I like my hard modes to be fair as opposed to a trial and error time-vampire.

You can get used to bad game design and "git gud", but that doesn't change the fact that it's bad game design. You can flex all day about this if you want, but I'm not impressed with that bragging rights elitist attitude. You wasted your time and mastered something that I found to be absolutely terrible and not worth my time. What do you want, a medal?
It's the same reason I didn't bother getting all the achievements/trophies in Demon's Souls/Dark Souls III. Oh good, I have to get ALL the sorceries, miracles, rings, and special weapons that I'm never going to use in a million years? Wow what an achievement! *mimes jerking off motion*

And pointing out I can just play the base game goes without saying. Yeah, of course I will. And I have, numerous times, both the original and the remaster. In fact, I reinstalled the original game to replay it to further appreciate it AND the good things they did in the Remaster even more. And I will replay both versions many more times.

EDIT: And as for locking a secret weapon behind the most obnoxious challenge possible: I agree that it only adds fuel to the fire. I'm never going to waste my time with that either.

[Unseen]

I'm gonna waste my time with it, I can't help it mikes apartment...
But they could of at least put the goal in normal or add a death counter so we know we didn't waste our time the whole time due to uh, well I mean its hard not to know when you died cause it pisses you off. But dozens of hours of frustrating crap can cause a mental lapse.

Someone really needs to make a horror guide on mikes apartment and the gun. This is a really cruel and unusual thing to put in a game especially for people who loved shadowman since N64.

Also shadowman is one of the greatest horror games ever made and it just feels like they are trying to turn it even more niche and obscure. How can I recommend this to gamers who wanna have fun, and enjoy atmosphere when there's undead chicks boomeranging blue spam literally everywhere?

I understand hard added goals and increasing replay but this is ridiculous. And forgotten I understand how you feel, sometimes having a challenge can increase satisfaction and adrenaline. Recently got into a shooter called dismantled on steam and its very tough. I liked it so much I bought the directors cut after the original. But it still seemed like a hard game. But I don't try to complete or win anything hard for any reason but my own enjoyment. Not to say I'm a pro or brag to random people online I don't know but only for my own sake.

Gaming accomplishes nothing its entertainment, work and a career do. But as far as entertainment goes I don't like americas bloodsport culture, or going to watch guys almost die driving around a circle. I don't like going to bars and clubs and trying to creep out women or piss off some bar king. I just wanna relax and play a fun game.

I don't want ND to change it, its already been done now changing it would be contradictory. But they could add the goal to normal for uh, normal players. And add a deathcount, but I doubt they will update this again. Sad cause they need to, the name nightdive, nothing represents this name better than shadowman imo.

[Zuko]

Publicado originalmente por Unseen:

What is the bloody teddy bear is that another weapon? Do they stay in the game they won't vanish or anything at some point?

You haven't heard of the bloody bear hunt? That's a really cool easter egg that Nightdive added. Every level has a secret teddy bear that you have to do out of bounds glitches to get to. It's really fun and it rewards you with a super overpowered weapon. A bloody teddy bear that you throw like a grenade. If you miss an enemy it will explode into chunks everywhere that do a lot of damage. Direct hits however will instantly turn almost every enemy in the game into bloody chunks.

The bloody bear can also be earned on any difficulty.

When the secret was first discovered the whole community came together in a thread to find all of the bears together. It was a lot of fun to experience this.

Make sure to read the guide carefully. Some locations got changed as updates rolled out.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1413870/discussions/0/3132793555961831071/

*EDIT*
Even better. Looks like someone made a full comprehensive guide video.
https://youtu.be/BTQPxHXdvLg

[Unseen]

I have heard of it, but I didn't think they were tied to any unlocks like mikes apartment. I saw the thread some time ago and gave the op and award for pointing it out. But a few questions, I'm trying to get the one on the church roof but its not working I keep falling out of bounds and dying. However I have not started the lclipser night, am I wasting my time trying to do this as regular mike?

Also does throwing the bears consume the bears? And if you collect them all but use them if they are consumable, does it still count towards mikes apartment?

Zuko I would appreciate it if you stayed subscribed to this thread so you could give me some information I don't need hand holding I just need to know the general rules of what I can and can't do.

[Zuko]

Publicado originalmente por Unseen:

I have heard of it, but I didn't think they were tied to any unlocks like mikes apartment. I saw the thread some time ago and gave the op and award for pointing it out. But a few questions, I'm trying to get the one on the church roof but its not working I keep falling out of bounds and dying. However I have not started the lclipser night, am I wasting my time trying to do this as regular mike?

Also does throwing the bears consume the bears? And if you collect them all but use them if they are consumable, does it still count towards mikes apartment?

Zuko I would appreciate it if you stayed subscribed to this thread so you could give me some information I don't need hand holding I just need to know the general rules of what I can and can't do.

The church one only works at night. Day and night versions of maps are actually separate maps. So don't worry about that one just yet.

Collecting all of the bears gives you one bear weapon. It is not consumed on use and doesn't require ammo or voodoo. You can spam it all you want.

[Unseen]

Ok nice thanks for the tip good to know thought that one was just really annoying. I'm glad to know it doesn't work cause I think I was doing it right. Basically if you slide down the right into the dark you did it right?

[Zuko]

Publicado originalmente por Unseen:

Ok nice thanks for the tip good to know thought that one was just really annoying. I'm glad to know it doesn't work cause I think I was doing it right. Basically if you slide down the right into the dark you did it right?

Yes, and you hit the right side of the roof just right that it triggers the loadzone for the inside of the church. You'll notice all of the textures disappear and when you drop down you'll land on an invisible ground.

There is also nothing stopping you from saving in these areas. It won't mess up the load zone or anything. So if you get a tricky jump done you can save so that you don't have to redo it if you mess up somewhere else.

[Unseen]

Allright already got one teddy but it kinda sucks we get all these heavy weapons so late, guess it'll make legion easier.

It probably would be possible to avoid some of the stronger enemies like jack, legion, seraph, and others until you got enough souls and upgrades. Also can we use the bloody teddy on the new game plus? If I use 500 cad I'm going to have to replay again to get 666.

[Zuko]

Publicado originalmente por Unseen:

Allright already got one teddy but it kinda sucks we get all these heavy weapons so late, guess it'll make legion easier.

It probably would be possible to avoid some of the stronger enemies like jack, legion, seraph, and others until you got enough souls and upgrades. Also can we use the bloody teddy on the new game plus? If I use 500 cad I'm going to have to replay again to get 666.

If you don't mind doing glitches to sequence break, you can get the shotgun on Salvage Yard super early. Like even in day time. No gads or anything needed. And it's right where you get the hidden teddy on that map.
https://youtu.be/Lu7FQaT_e0w

And yes. You keep everything except for key items in new game plus. You keep the teddy bear, you keep the light soul, you keep the revolver, and you keep your voodoo weapons. You only lose key items like any accumulators you didn't use.



Also! You can get all of the bloody bears in the game without ever fighting a boss, all except one. The bloody bear for the engine block level is in Jack's part of the engine block. So you do have to kill Jack the Ripper for one of the bears.
The other bears however you can just go to their level, get the bear and leave. The bears absolutely shred the ♥♥♥♥ out of the bosses and are a huge help.

[Unseen]

Ok I've already beat jack before on horror before so that shouldn't be a problem. The only bosses I'm really worried about is the seraph queen, and maybe cruz cause his fights a little all over the place. I'm guessing you can't use the teddys on the helicopters obviously. They were some of the worst in horror. The ones with milton pike were easy cause they were so far away you can easily avoid them. But the ones in the prison were set up in some really tight spaces that made avoiding them difficult. I hated the helicopters in the prison, they made victor look like a flailing baby.

[Zuko]

Publicado originalmente por Unseen:

Ok I've already beat jack before on horror before so that shouldn't be a problem. The only bosses I'm really worried about is the seraph queen, and maybe cruz cause his fights a little all over the place. I'm guessing you can't use the teddys on the helicopters obviously. They were some of the worst in horror. The ones with milton pike were easy cause they were so far away you can easily avoid them. But the ones in the prison were set up in some really tight spaces that made avoiding them difficult. I hated the helicopters in the prison, they made victor look like a flailing baby.

Save Seraph Queen for after you get all of the bears. In my run I deleted her in like 5 seconds. She didn't even get a chance to do anything. It was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ funny.
I had a shotgun in one hand and the bear in the other and I got right up in her face and started spamming.

For the helicopters I personally stayed behind cover in places like behind the stairs. If you are out of it's view with enough cover for long enough the helicopter will start to move around. You can take some potshots on it while it's turned around and then go right back into cover when it starts to turn towards you again.

[Unseen]

Right up in her face? So the bear won't cause radius damage to you? Bear sounds pretty op.

[Zuko]

Publicado originalmente por Unseen:

Right up in her face? So the bear won't cause radius damage to you? Bear sounds pretty op.

The bear is TREMENDOUSLY OP. Direct hits from it can one shot almost anything. Know those annoying chainsaw dudes? A direct hit from one will break it's shield. Then another to blast it to pieces.

There is a downside. The arc can be awkward. Like if a ceiling is too low it'll hit the ceiling. You can keep spamming the ceiling to make the chunks rain down, which still do a lot of damage. If you want to do a direct hit in this situation though you basically have to run right up to enemies and basically use it like a melee weapon.

It is so satisfying though to spam the bear at a crowd of chainsaws and hookemen and watch all of the bloody chunks fly everywhere.

[Cossblaam]

To say that the remaster was a 10/10 only before they added a completely optional extreme difficulty mode for people that are looking to be challenged is a pretty dumb take... It's optional, you don't need to play it, and it clearly wasn't meant for people like you, or myself for that matter because I know I don't want to go through that and would rather enjoy the game as intended. Just accept that you don't want to go through hell and move on lol, they added it for veterans that enjoy this kind of thing and like the struggle, clearly not for everyone, nor did it ruin anything.

[Zuko]

♥♥♥♥, Shadow Man hard mode mentioned. I might have to do another run of that some time soon.