lack of Diamond ranked fish is this right

[MistysRage72]

caught 1300+ fish just 6 diamond ranked both bass lake trout perch salmon and walleye is this right followed hook guide and baits but just no diamonds any one else havging this

[Elon Muskellunge]

This guide helps to identify Diamond spots:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3027610920

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i havent catch any diamonds,too.almost spent 100 hours ingame and completed norway map.

[Rdizz]

Originally posted by UniChaser:

This guide helps to identify Diamond spots:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3027610920

This guide while very well put together and wonderful effort doesn't always translate well in game. I have not caught 1 diamond using this guide and or for that matter 1 gold using this guide. In fact I have not caught any of the fish species listed on that guide as far as the location pointed out for Diamonds. So something doesn't add up.

I still use the guide but mostly for Hook chart and Bait charts. Its a great guide But either diamonds spawn rate is different and locations rotate or its just a random chance every time you throw a line in.

[Smagpie]

Diamond spawn rate is completely off in both reserves.

For example, in GRR I have caught, after the patch:

50+ golds, 0 diamonds, and 5+ legendaries.

I would have expected at least 3+ diamonds in the tally. I play a lot, I have almost 400 hrs in-game.

[Deconstructed]

In 220 hours (all after patch) I have caught approx 16-18 diamonds (14 I took in-game pics of but I know I didn't take pic of 2-4 of the first ones caught) .

All in areas shown as having diamond spawn on the guide(s) above. Probably caught about half before I knew of the guide by just fishing in some of the areas unknowingly. About an even split in distribution across both reserves.

Based on my experience so far I have not caught a diamond outside places shown in the guide. 5-6 have been caught by simply being in the area and seeing an unusually large fish swimming/jumping and then casting to it.

Most were caught using a hook size for at least a silver (minimum) of that species. I know you can catch a diamond on any hook size but my experience implies (strongly) that a larger hook size makes it more likely to catch diamonds. The rule I now use when trying for a diamond is using the hook/lure size one step down from gold.

Sometimes they can come quite quickly (within the first few casts several times when arriving at an area) other times after working a known spawn area for hours. My diamond Brown Trout I fished the entire daylight hours for and finally got the diamond on my last cast just 1-2 in-game minutes before it was about to switch to night.

Although I seem to have to worked out some rhyme and reason in catching diamonds in other ways it seems to against what I have worked out. For example: I have caught 2 diamond Roach (both by seeing them and casting to them), 3-4 diamond Asp and 1 Diamond Zander at the magic pond on Trollsporet. Magic Pond is supposed to be a good diamond Pike spot as well yet I have yet to catch one there despite catching many Pike at that location.

All pics I have taken of diamonds caught are shown in my screenshots for the game which should be viewable on my publicly available Steam profile (if you want to confirm area, gear, etc).

Anyway, hope this helps in some way.

Edit: I have also noticed a higher likelihood of larger fish spawning related to retrieve speed setting (keep in mind gear ratio of you reel will effect overall retrieve speed). For example: If using a reel with a gear ratio of 7:1 you often need to set your speed to 1 max 2 when fishing for most trout on Golden Ridge or the fish just can't catch up to the retrieve in many cases. However, if you use a reel with a ratio of 5:1 or 5.5:1 you can use a setting of 3-4 which seems (to me) to increase larger spawns.

This same logic is shown with catching Sidewinder. Most say you need to use a retrieve setting of 4 or 5 to catch him. Only partially correct, the fast retrieve only triggers the spawn. I know this because I triggered his spawn and saw him behind my lure too late and the lure came out of the water before he could strike. I tried a couple quick recasts with no result. My third cast was a short cast letting it sink to the bottom and jigging without a retrieve. He hit again on the 2nd or 3rd jig as after missing him he just went straight down to the bottom.

[Smagpie]

Thanks for your input, Deconstructed. And happy that you are still able to catch diamonds. I used to be able. I've played since day 1. I know my bait and tackle by now, and areas. I've read guides and made notes.

An example of my predicament: I must have fished around 3 metric tonnes of Atlantic Salmon at the prime spawn spot in the 2nd large lake in Trollsporet. Many, many of them just about 20kg. But none that extra kilo or more needed to get the diamond.

I have caught hundreds of them.

No diamonds. After the Evo patch.

[Deconstructed]

Originally posted by Smagpie:

Thanks for your input, Deconstructed. And happy that you are still able to catch diamonds. I used to be able. I've played since day 1. I know my bait and tackle by now, and areas. I've read guides and made notes.

An example of my predicament: I must have fished around 3 metric tonnes of Atlantic Salmon at the prime spawn spot in the 2nd large lake in Trollsporet. Many, many of them just about 20kg. But none that extra kilo or more needed to get the diamond.

I have caught hundreds of them.

No diamonds. After the Evo patch.

When I was going for the diamond atlantic the thing that made the difference for me was increasing my retrieve speed to 4. Shortly after a diamond spawned.

I was just coming back to talk more about the retrieve speed setting as mentioned in my previous post to give a more fleshed out example.

So fishing for Arctic Char, I use a #3 spoon.

Initially I was using a reel with a gear ratio of 7:1 with a retrieve setting of 3. Caught plenty of Char but would have to closely watch my retrieve to see if a fish was following to know to slow down the retrieve or miss the fish. Fishing like this I might get 2 (maybe 3) gold out of 20 fish caught a 7-10:1 ratio of fish caught.

Switching to a 5.5:1 ratio reel I now use a retrieve setting of 5. I never have to watch my retrieve as the fish have no problem catching up. Despite the higher retrieve setting, due to the lower gear ratio of the reel the overall the retrieve is actually slower. However, based on my observations and results the higher retrieve setting is triggering larger fish (this is likely written somewhere within fish spawning triggers in the game code).

Using the second method I just went and tested and my result over 20 fish was 5 golds (a 1 in 4 ratio).

Screenshot of the 5 gold in last 20:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2110556596715919316/319B4CD7E78E9EEAD8A240EA037320C37F84B16F/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[Evergreen]

Diamonds are all spot-specific. They only spawn in specific locations at random times. The rate they spawn is like once or twice in 24 hours. The best way to fish them is by not fishing for them. Go fish for other stuff until you find one. Then focus on that location more often.

[Deconstructed]

Originally posted by KMB:

Diamonds are all spot-specific. They only spawn in specific locations at random times. The rate they spawn is like once or twice in 24 hours. The best way to fish them is by not fishing for them. Go fish for other stuff until you find one. Then focus on that location more often.

Spot specific, yes.

For the rest, not completely random. There are other factors that can help a spawn along. As noted above I am reasonably certain retrieve speed is one of those factors.

Last few days I have been trying to catch diamond Brook and Cutty trout on Golden Ridge. Fishing known diamond spots, waiting for fish to respawn after fishing the spot out etc. Many hours spent with no diamonds. The last days daily challenges was x number of Brook trout which I activated. Sometimes you hit known spots and due to time of day there are few or no Brook trout around. Due to this I was server hopping.

As I mentioned in my first post in this thread, sometimes you show up to a spot and a diamond is already there spawned and waiting. This became even more evident today as during my server hopping I caught a diamond of both species. Both were visible in the water and caught immediately after joining the server.

[Smagpie]

Is multiplayer somehow favored when it comes to diamonds? ‘Cause I usually play offline..

[Deconstructed]

Originally posted by Smagpie:

Is multiplayer somehow favored when it comes to diamonds? ‘Cause I usually play offline..

Don't know. I always play online. At the very least, playing online allows you to exit/rejoin the server (to server hop) to find a different time of day which can be useful.

[Smagpie]

Mmm. Thanks for many good ideas, Deconstructed, cheers!

[Deconstructed]

Something tells me I might be onto something.

Just did my dailies on Golden Ridge. Selected Lake Trout (needed to catch 7). Got this:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2110556596716471978/B8C6FFA744673CEFF50732F5D413F7BAA09B9FC5/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2110556596716471390/01BF06C01EA1EA52A1246BE4149EAA4720DB7165/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2110556596716471669/80FA80323AC9738C4E3FD13BC759181B754A2E73/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[Smagpie]

Wow. The quick retrieval thing does the trick you think?

[Deconstructed]

I think it does in general BUT in this case I was simply jigging bottom with only enough retrieval to keep the lure off the bottom (that said, as an ex-coder if I am correct on retrieve speed being a trigger point, just starting a retrieve for only a few feet may be enough to trigger a spawn. in fact no retrieval may still be a trigger as there is an action (the jigging) that already triggers spawns but it may check the retrieval setting when the spawn triggers even if not reeling) with lure size 1 step down from gold size (#1 jighead and worm in this case). I talked about this in my first post in the thread.

I see many using smaller lures that will also catch bronze with the thinking they must catch all the bronze as well to force fish respawn to increase diamond chances. Chances might be even better using a gold/diamond size lure (slightly) but it's boring catching nothing so lure/hook size 1 step down from gold works best for me for a balance of increased diamond spawn while still catching a fair amount of fish.

Edit: Let me add, if I am correct on larger hook/lure size also forcing larger spawns then the tactic of catching all the bronze as well to force more fish to respawn to increase diamond chances is actually working against, rather than for you as due to the smaller hook/lure size you may simply be encouraging more smaller fish to spawn.