The Evolution Update is Really Tough on New (or Low level) Players

[Elon Muskellunge]

Prior to the update you could use in-game money to buy the best gear; however, now you need to complete all the original missions to get to a reputation of 1000, plus you need to catch a fair amount of gold, diamond, and legendary fish (prior to making each purchase). Anyway, here is a peek at two of the best equipment choices and how much they will cost a new player:

Best Baitcasting Rod
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3026555845
Similar requirements for best baitcatsing reel, float rod, spinning reel & spinning rod.


Best Jeep
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3026555858

Good luck.

Uni

[EW_ExOh]

Hey

We're currently working with the community to collect feedback and provide it to the Dev team, thank you for taking the time to post this and give this feedback!

[✿⊱oLadyGamer⊰✿]

Oh that's unfortunate.

I last played in May, my level was 30 and a Rep of 285.

Not sure what it is now with the Update and I don't even know if I want to reinstall the game now.

Trying to take a short break from the grind in FP, debating whether to play this or UFS1 and 2 again.

[Elon Muskellunge]

Originally posted by EW_ExOh:

Hey

We're currently working with the community to collect feedback and provide it to the Dev team, thank you for taking the time to post this and give this feedback!

The biggest roadblock I see (with this updated progression system) is that most people rely on the best gear to catch the legendary fish; however, under this new progression system, you must catch a bunch of legendary fish "before" you can even qualify for the purchase of any of the best gear. And, since many people have chosen not to try and complete every single little mission (find every little item/trinket spread throughout/over the entire map, etc), they will never get the 1000 reputation points they need to buy the best gear. In summary, I believe the developers have created a major progression roadblock that somehow needs to be modified so people can enjoy the game without being forced to do all those missions. Now, if all this was changed to discourage cheat mod usage, you have accomplished your goal, because in-game money and XP are no longer the most important progression components.

[Elon Muskellunge]

Originally posted by ✿⊱oLadyGamer⊰✿:

Oh that's unfortunate.

I last played in May, my level was 30 and a Rep of 285.

Not sure what it is now with the Update and I don't even know if I want to reinstall the game now.

Trying to take a short break from the grind in FP, debating whether to play this or UFS1 and 2 again.

I would try this game and see how it goes for you.

Don't forget to download the two free DLCs:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1408610/discussions/0/3803903008592537585/

Good luck,

Uni

[✿⊱oLadyGamer⊰✿]

Oh yeah got the freebies already.

Thanks Uni

[hbyw618]

Originally posted by UniChaser:

Originally posted by EW_ExOh:

Hey

We're currently working with the community to collect feedback and provide it to the Dev team, thank you for taking the time to post this and give this feedback!

The biggest roadblock I see (with this updated progression system) is that most people rely on the best gear to catch the legendary fish; however, under this new progression system, you must catch a bunch of legendary fish "before" you can even qualify for the purchase of any of the best gear. And, since many people have chosen not to try and complete every single little mission (find every little item/trinket spread throughout/over the entire map, etc), they will never get the 1000 reputation points they need to buy the best gear. In summary, I believe the developers have created a major progression roadblock that somehow needs to be modified so people can enjoy the game without being forced to do all those missions. Now, if all this was changed to discourage cheat mod usage, you have accomplished your goal, because in-game money and XP are no longer the most important progression components.

If we treat those as 5 different currencies, this is a legendary inflation in economic system in the game, as we know 4 of those 5 needs lucky。

All factors add up to make this game more difficult than gambling. Recently, I have nearly 90 hours of game time, just to expand the number of equipment I can bring. Until now, I am one diamond short, and everything has begun to become extremely tortured, I just repeat an action mechanically, hoping that the goddess of fate can give me a kiss, so far I am still not lucky enough.

When things start to have nothing to do with skill, you need 5% skill and you need an extra 95% luck, which is problematic in itself.

[mike yo]

The progression update was a hit and miss. Its a hit that money is earned by catching fish now. However the tokens and the reputation requirement are def a miss.

I think the idea with tokens isn't even bad, just not implemented very well (e.g. amount of certain tokens needed per purchase) as they create a heavy RNG-based roadblock for progression. The reputation requirement just feels off to me, as it forces everyone to do every single mission and (even worse) collect every single collectible.

For me personally the update overall just gave me issues, I am affected by this roadblock since I don't have much time to play, so it will takes literally ages for me to make only a tiny bit progress.

[aceman4747]

@devteam hey please read my post and let me know, there's tons of ideas i put in the feedback.

[DanielUK]

i agree i dont like this system i am a level 42 player in rf4 with 4000 hours i know what grind is but sometime i need to escape the grinding and play a fishing game where i dont need to grind and now we have it here

[hbyw618]

Originally posted by DanielUK:

i agree i dont like this system i am a level 42 player in rf4 with 4000 hours i know what grind is but sometime i need to escape the grinding and play a fishing game where i dont need to grind and now we have it here

I like spend my tokens into a Porsche as we know the game world is beautiful and I really like racing games, but I dont think I need try it weeks or months for a rod or a reel, that's a punishment.

[Snail Rancher]

Originally posted by EW_ExOh:

Hey

We're currently working with the community to collect feedback and provide it to the Dev team, thank you for taking the time to post this and give this feedback!

I restarted (but saved my old saves "just in case"), but now I don't know if that was a good idea. It is almost impossible to catch the Legendaries on standard equipment; if you want to use the best equipment you need several Legendaries, which of course is a tautology. I don't mind there being a certain reputation needed, and "Gold" coins, but "Legendary" coins, at least for equipment, needs to be done away with.

To compare this with The Hunter, ANYONE can shoot a Great One (or most of them) with the base game equipment. For the moose, you'll need a slightly different rifle, but even this can be overcome with just a minimal amount of playing. In contrast, a lot more work is needed to get the Legendaries since the equipment is not available to beginning players.

[Elon Muskellunge]

Hopefully, the developers will make a change that will allow new players to purchase all the best gear without having to catch a few dozen legendary fish. Now, IMHO, it is OK to leave the gold trophy requirement (as is); however, (maybe) the diamond requirement should be adjusted down a notch, and the legendary trophy requirement should definitely be removed (completely).

[Shona (vincit omnia veritas)]

Originally posted by UniChaser:

Prior to the update you could use in-game money to buy the best gear; however, now you need to complete all the original missions to get to a reputation of 1000, plus you need to catch a fair amount of gold, diamond, and legendary fish (prior to making each purchase). Anyway, here is a peek at two of the best equipment choices and how much they will cost a new player:

Best Baitcasting Rod
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3026555845
Similar requirements for best baitcatsing reel, float rod, spinning reel & spinning rod.


Best Jeep
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3026555858

Good luck.

Uni

It is thouger on old Player who have the game since the release, because new players get a lot of the gold/diamond trophys from the challenges but old players get nothing.....

So old player start also with nothing and i made all the challenges and caught all the original fish in diamond before, plus a lot of lake trout in diamond.

From the Challnges you get around 15 -18 Gold Trophys and the Pohoto Challenges should gives you also Gold and Diamond Trophys.

So why do you thing the Update is tough on new players only? Did you get something which i didn't?

Since i have a hard time to get the gear from the Souvenir Store because you also pay with this trophys.....

[FarmerLee73]

For me this system of needing tokens to upgrade your tackle is awful, I run my own busines and don't have the time to be able to put the 100's of hours into the game to be able to aquire the really good tackle.

For me personaly the only way for me to be able to get this tackle is by using a trainer which does ruin the game a little, but what ever you do, don't go into their discord and say that as you will get banned instantly!

I understand that before the update this tackle could be purchased using in game currency, to me this makes far more sense.

[Zaphod]

I love this game - it's the best fishing game yet
It took me over 200 hours to get all the achievements...

A few golden challenges took me over 10 hours....

The problem now is the end content

There are just no/too few diamond fish

The rate needs to be increased drastically. For example, with a #5 you catch a lot of silver and very few gold but no diamond.
with a #4 you suddenly catch NO fish.

Everything must be rebalanced

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198034007726/screenshot/2091416045355953956/
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