what the hell are these new terms of use???

[Jadedragon]

"Under no circumstances will Rockstar Games be liable to you for any indirect loss or damage or for any breach of its obligations due to force majeure arising out of or in connection with the Services or this Agreement. Nothing in this agreement is intended to exclude any rights or damages that cannot be excluded under applicable law, including, without limitation, any liability for fraud, DEATH OR PERSONAL INJURY arising from our negligence"

what the hell? Death? personal injury? I thought this is a digital product not buying a gun... this appearantly counts for UK, switzerland, australia and parts of "european economic sector" whatever that means.

The one for US and litteraly every other place is even worse:

"This agreement contains a mandatory arbitration provision and a CLASS ACTION AND JURY TRIAL WAIVER for all users residing in the United States and all territories other than Australia, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the European Economic Area"

In other words, you agree to not sue rockstar in case you get scammed i guess? What happened to the game, has it become litteraly that bad they have to resort to a clause like that? or is that just standard company procedure?

I normaly dont give a rats ass about terms of use and just klick accept so i can play but these 2 points have been highlightet fat and as "important"...

[Chatty]

Zooming down to click 'agree' I happened to notice that as well. Random and ...hmmm

[CC]

Jadedragon eredeti hozzászólása:

"Under no circumstances will Rockstar Games be liable to you for any indirect loss or damage or for any breach of its obligations due to force majeure arising out of or in connection with the Services or this Agreement. Nothing in this agreement is intended to exclude any rights or damages that cannot be excluded under applicable law, including, without limitation, any liability for fraud, DEATH OR PERSONAL INJURY arising from our negligence"

what the hell? Death? personal injury? I thought this is a digital product not buying a gun...

Rockstar Games is not liable for any lost that might affect you due to natural events that affected Rockstar Games:

Fire, flood, theft, data breach. For example, you lost your beloved online character, suffered emotional distress, sue for pain and suffering from the lost of your game lover and subsequent sleepless nights and tears shed.

However, the contract isn't meant to exclude liabilities which cannot be omitted by law and that are caused by the negligence of Rockstar Games, including fraud, Death or Personal Injury:

You saw the new super vehicle but don't have in-game money to buy it. You threaten Rockstar that if you don't get a new character with 100 billion dollars and a top-of-the-line Faggio Sport, you will hold your breath until you pass out and possibly die. Rockstar Games reports you to the police as record, so there is no negligence. This responsibility cannot be excluded, just by signing the contract.

Was that kind of clear? 😂😊

[Jadedragon]

CC eredeti hozzászólása:

Rockstar Games is not liable for any lost that might affect you due to natural events that affected Rockstar Games:

Fire, flood, theft, data breach. For example, you lost your beloved online character, suffered emotional distress, sue for pain and suffering from the lost of your game lover and subsequent sleepless nights and tears shed.

However, the contract isn't meant to exclude liabilities which cannot be omitted by law and that are caused by the negligence of Rockstar Games, including fraud, Death or Personal Injury:

You saw the new super vehicle but don't have in-game money to buy it. You threaten Rockstar that if you don't get a new character with 100 billion dollars and a top-of-the-line Faggio Sport, you will hold your breath until you pass out and possibly die. Rockstar Games reports you to the police as record, so there is no negligence. This responsibility cannot be excluded, just by signing the contract.

Was that kind of clear? 😂😊

Being a massive company is hard huh? XD

But no, i dont understand a damn thing about all of this, it goes over my head. How can i suffer personal injury or DEATH by playing their games? Epilepsy maybe but thats why there is warnings for it... But the rest sounds kinda... hysteric.

[cazaubonsbrissa]

Jadedragon eredeti hozzászólása:

CC eredeti hozzászólása:

Rockstar Games is not liable for any lost that might affect you due to natural events that affected Rockstar Games:

Fire, flood, theft, data breach. For example, you lost your beloved online character, suffered emotional distress, sue for pain and suffering from the lost of your game lover and subsequent sleepless nights and tears shed.

However, the contract isn't meant to exclude liabilities which cannot be omitted by law and that are caused by the negligence of Rockstar Games, including fraud, Death or Personal Injury:

You saw the new super vehicle but don't have in-game money to buy it. You threaten Rockstar that if you don't get a new character with 100 billion dollars and a top-of-the-line Faggio Sport, you will hold your breath until you pass out and possibly die. Rockstar Games reports you to the police as record, so there is no negligence. This responsibility cannot be excluded, just by signing the contract.

Was that kind of clear? 😂😊

Being a massive company is hard huh? XD

But no, i dont understand a damn thing about all of this, it goes over my head. How can i suffer personal injury or DEATH by playing their games? Epilepsy maybe but thats why there is warnings for it... But the rest sounds kinda... hysteric.

To understand how deep a sue can go, you would need to go to law school.

The thing is that if you are a big company, theres no such thing as "beeing too cautious". So they do this stuff "just in case", in order to avoid stupid sues and prevent losses (time, money, resources, etc).
People can sue for ANYTHING, and laws are really a thing of interpretation.

[Korvyr]

There's a mother literally suing a bunch of major game publishing companies right now for making her son a compulsive gambler with no fiscal responsibility.

I could see someone starving to death because they choose to buy gold bars instead of food, and then their parents suing the game company over it.

I could see someone dying from a heart attack at a young age and their parents determining it was the game's fault that they sat on the couch 24/7 and grew into a parade float.

I could see someone writing a manifesto that game X taught them how to shoot a gun and also taught them to hate people who harm animals, and so they go and shoot up the meat aisle at a grocery store and the cops intervene and they get killed.

Never underestimate the stupidity of humans.

[Riddick]

by making those changes to the terms and conditions after the purchase, you could potentially get your money back.

[Jadedragon]

cazaubonsbrissa eredeti hozzászólása:

To understand how deep a sue can go, you would need to go to law school.

The thing is that if you are a big company, theres no such thing as "beeing too cautious". So they do this stuff "just in case", in order to avoid stupid sues and prevent losses (time, money, resources, etc).
People can sue for ANYTHING, and laws are really a thing of interpretation.

As an European, i always forget about this fact lol... In my country that would be impossible to do, you wouldnt even get a Case. But i know some U.S Attourneys litteraly make a living off of things like these so.. Not too surprising anymore now.

Korvyr eredeti hozzászólása:

There's a mother literally suing a bunch of major game publishing companies right now for making her son a compulsive gambler with no fiscal responsibility.

I could see someone starving to death because they choose to buy gold bars instead of food, and then their parents suing the game company over it.

I could see someone dying from a heart attack at a young age and their parents determining it was the game's fault that they sat on the couch 24/7 and grew into a parade float.

I could see someone writing a manifesto that game X taught them how to shoot a gun and also taught them to hate people who harm animals, and so they go and shoot up the meat aisle at a grocery store and the cops intervene and they get killed.

Never underestimate the stupidity of humans.

Not to say things like these are impossible to happen in europe ofc. Stupididy doesnt know national boundaries. But it would be a much easyer case over here, doubt there would even be a trial.

[Oldman]

Ah, you've got to love Big Tech... NOT!
They takes our money, takes the piss and then saves ass.
Twas ever thus.

[Jadedragon]

Oldman eredeti hozzászólása:

Ah, you've got to love Big Tech... NOT!
They takes our money, takes the piss and then saves ass.
Twas ever thus.

I mean they dont force you to buy their product.

[Nerv]

Jadedragon eredeti hozzászólása:

CC eredeti hozzászólása:

Rockstar Games is not liable for any lost that might affect you due to natural events that affected Rockstar Games:

Fire, flood, theft, data breach. For example, you lost your beloved online character, suffered emotional distress, sue for pain and suffering from the lost of your game lover and subsequent sleepless nights and tears shed.

However, the contract isn't meant to exclude liabilities which cannot be omitted by law and that are caused by the negligence of Rockstar Games, including fraud, Death or Personal Injury:

You saw the new super vehicle but don't have in-game money to buy it. You threaten Rockstar that if you don't get a new character with 100 billion dollars and a top-of-the-line Faggio Sport, you will hold your breath until you pass out and possibly die. Rockstar Games reports you to the police as record, so there is no negligence. This responsibility cannot be excluded, just by signing the contract.

Was that kind of clear? 😂😊

Being a massive company is hard huh? XD

But no, i dont understand a damn thing about all of this, it goes over my head. How can i suffer personal injury or DEATH by playing their games? Epilepsy maybe but thats why there is warnings for it... But the rest sounds kinda... hysteric.

to put it simply: a man once sued redbull because it did not give him wings... he's rich now ( this actually happened i am not lying either )

[Oldman]

Jadedragon eredeti hozzászólása:

Oldman eredeti hozzászólása:

Ah, you've got to love Big Tech... NOT!
They takes our money, takes the piss and then saves ass.
Twas ever thus.

I mean they dont force you to buy their product.

Well thanks for your considered thought.
If only I had had the benefit of your wisdom before I posted my remarks.
"I mean"!

[Jadedragon]

Oldman eredeti hozzászólása:

Jadedragon eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean they dont force you to buy their product.

Well thanks for your considered thought.
If only I had had the benefit of your wisdom before I posted my remarks.
"I mean"!

well using your brain before posting can help alot. But i got your back dont worry.

[Oldman]

Jadedragon eredeti hozzászólása:

Oldman eredeti hozzászólása:

Well thanks for your considered thought.
If only I had had the benefit of your wisdom before I posted my remarks.
"I mean"!

well using your brain before posting can help alot. But i got your back dont worry.

Is there no end to your needless rudeness [rhetorical].
Is there no end to your appalling grammar [rhetorical].
What do we do with your ilk? You get the blocking you deserve.
Bye.

[Jadedragon]

Oldman eredeti hozzászólása:

Jadedragon eredeti hozzászólása:

well using your brain before posting can help alot. But i got your back dont worry.

Is there no end to your needless rudeness [rhetorical].
Is there no end to your appalling grammar [rhetorical].
What do we do with your ilk? You get the blocking you deserve.
Bye.

well im not the one starting beef for no reason. lol.

This post was just about some confusion going on for me, then people answered it. Your rage post about "big bad companys" didnt bring any usefulness to this, so i told you simply noone is forced to play games they dont enjoy and then you made a snarky comment, how am i supposed to take you serious that way?

And now you are grabbing straws "threatening" me with getting me blocked all though that is not even in your power and also going after my grammar because you got nothing else as a counter. Once again proof you dont have any useful contribution for this thread. :P

[CC]

Jadedragon eredeti hozzászólása:

Oldman eredeti hozzászólása:

Ah, you've got to love Big Tech... NOT!
They takes our money, takes the piss and then saves ass.
Twas ever thus.

I mean they dont force you to buy their product.

Oldman eredeti hozzászólása:

Jadedragon eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean they dont force you to buy their product.

Well thanks for your considered thought.
If only I had had the benefit of your wisdom before I posted my remarks.
"I mean"!

Jadedragon eredeti hozzászólása:

Oldman eredeti hozzászólása:

Well thanks for your considered thought.
If only I had had the benefit of your wisdom before I posted my remarks.
"I mean"!

well using your brain before posting can help alot. But i got your back dont worry.

Oldman eredeti hozzászólása:

Jadedragon eredeti hozzászólása:

well using your brain before posting can help alot. But i got your back dont worry.

Is there no end to your needless rudeness [rhetorical].
Is there no end to your appalling grammar [rhetorical].
What do we do with your ilk? You get the blocking you deserve.
Bye.

Although the contract is signed by the users, its terms are mainly written and meant for other lawyers -- sort of like a game of legal chess -- to cover all legal basis.

For instance:

Players have different opinion regarding Red Dead Online and its related services and decide to have a dual of the 21st Century. Armed with verbal bullets, the cowmen fire lethal words at each other from one of the game's town halls: Have a brain! You first! Potato face!

Other users join in to create a catastrophe of the game's town hall.

After the battle, users sustained personal injuries due to the event in the form of emotional damage and decide to sue Rockstar Games for Negligence with Injury, for failure to provide a safe environment to interact with the services of the game.

Since it's a catastrophe caused by users and, therefore, falls into Force Majeure and that the game's town hall where it took place belongs to a 3rd party, Rockstar Games is not legally liable herein👻🤣

Being facetious to explain a scenario the terms intend to cover legally 😂😊 Isn't law fun lol