What's the point of defensive mode?

[mimiko857]

I hate these Chinese players shooting on sight while you're just doing nothing at all

[Silhouette]

Originally posted by Pookie:

What’s the point of defensive mode?

Answer:
Painting a “bullseye” on yourself.

It lets griefers know you don’t want to be messed with, which is exactly why they’ll single-you-out.

. . .

Solid game design Rockstar!

Seriously, it’s useless. The Passive Mode in GTA Online is WAY better (you can’t damage other players, other players can’t damage you).

Sadly, it’s just another example of how the game design in GTA Online is far superior to RDO. :(

Red Dead Online does let you “Parley,” but you can only do that after being killed, and you re-spawn miles away from where you died which is incredibly frustrating. :/

[mimiko857]

yea the passive mode is much better than this defensive one lol

[Steven Shipler (JSA)]

Originally posted by Silhouette:

Originally posted by Pookie:

What’s the point of defensive mode?

Answer:
Painting a “bullseye” in yourself.

It lets griefers know you don’t want to be messed with, which is exactly why they’ll single-you-out.

. . .

Solid game design Rockstar!

Seriously, it’s useless. The Passive Mode in GTA Online is WAY better (you can’t damage other players, other players can’t damage you).

Sadly, it’s just another example of how the game design in GTA Online is far superior to RDO. :(

Red Dead Online does let you “Parley,” but you can only do that after being killed, and you re-spawn miles away from where you died which is incredibly frustrating. :/

passive was useful on console as for pc it not modders turn off passive and beat the thing out of you.

[Twinkies]

The defensive mode prevents others from employing features such as "paint it black," aim assist, and the lasso against you. That is its intended purpose.

The question is whether it is effective. Indeed, it is.

[Silhouette]

On PC a lot of folks use free aim, so defensive mode really doesn't offer much help. o_o

Agree to disagree?

[Twinkies]

Certainly, I'm open to debating this. A significant number of players use aim assist, with Paint It Black being a widely favored ability card. Countering Paint It Black and the lasso proves to be highly beneficial. Claiming that defensive mode lacks utility is undoubtedly one of the most peculiar statements I've come across.

Moreover, claiming that players will specifically target you just because you're in defensive mode is an inaccurate statement. I'm beginning to seriously question the validity of your advice.

[Silhouette]

*Shrugs*

Pookie’s post here is already proof enough that there’s players who are disappointed with RDO’s defensive mode. I also find it incredibly underwhelming.

Does it help? Sure, a little; but if a griefer is really hellbent on attacking you disabling their aim assist and preventing paint it black isn’t going to stop them. :(

I much prefer GTAO Online’s “passive mode” which simply negates all PvP damage, but different strokes for different folks I suppose.

In GTA you can completely opt out of PvP if you wish. In RDO you can just make attacking you slightly more difficult, and can only opt-out for a few minutes (via parley) after your attacker has already killed you.

That feels like a pretty big down-grade to me. o_o

[Twinkies]

I understand now. This wasn't so much a question as it was a complaint about being shot while standing defenseless, akin to a sitting duck. It's a reality in the world of Red Dead, where there are individuals with murderous intent, eager to try out their new Krampus shotgun on unsuspecting players. You mentioned that defensive mode provides some protection, and that aligns with my point. No one can overpower a player in defensive mode, especially when fortified with level 3 tonics and strategic use of ability cards like Slow and Steady and Slippery Bastard. Skillful players can emerge victorious in such scenarios. But, hey, what do I know? I only have 1,000 hours of recorded playtime.

[Silhouette]

I think your level 3 tonics and (I’m assuming maxed-out) defensive ability cards are keeping you more safe than defensive mode is. XD

lol, and your 1000 hours experience doesn’t hurt either. ;)

But for newer players without all those advantages, defensive mode really isn’t gonna do much for them, especially if they’re attacked by a much higher ranked player.

So alright, I agree. If you’re a maxed-out player with maxed-out defence ability cards, and have been playing for hundreds of hours defensive mode is amazing! :D

But for everyone else it’s a whole lot less useful. ;)

[Twinkies]

Certainly, say what you will. I've observed players with lower skill levels outperforming me by utilizing defensive mode, likely for reasons I'm not privy to. I believe we've barely tapped into the true potential of defensive mode. I thank you for acknowledging the merit in our debate and recognizing the strength of my arguments. Stick with me, kid.

There's something else on my mind that I want to address. It's quite uncommon for advanced players to target newcomers. I'm puzzled as to where you've heard otherwise. The majority of seasoned players in this game are welcoming and don't flaunt their high-level skills by bullying low-level players who are simply trying to make modest progress in town. Typically, the scenario unfolds in reverse, with a less experienced player attempting to prove their strength by foolishly attacking a more skilled player and catching them off guard. Just a thought.

[robert-ii]

When im up on a roof laying in wait for a target of opportunity, I will shoot any1 I see regardless of who they are.
If you are in defensive mode, i cant get a headshot kill, and have to shoot you a couple or 3 times. Also, you must be closer than normal to me before you will show up on my radar.

Did that make you angry?..then come and shoot me off my roof!
Im not hacking, im totally killable.
Heck, im not even that good, my hands shake and my wifi is mediocre at best.

To me, defensive mode means youre a girlgamer...not that theres anything wrong with that, if youre a girl. Girls dont have the aggression or the desire to kill, usually.

[Steven Shipler (JSA)]

Originally posted by Silhouette:

On PC a lot of folks use free aim, so defensive mode really doesn't offer much help. o_o

Agree to disagree?

on pc alot of people use mods to take down people using defensive mode

[robert-ii]

Are you still banned, Rose?

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There isn't a point. It's a "catch all" developed by Rockstar to ease the tension, or a pseudo "count-to-10" initiative to allow you (in theory) to feel safe. It unfortunately doesn't work for most people, which the developer already realizes. The incentive is to buy gold bars to counter it, which you can't on PC.

[Steven Shipler (JSA)]

Originally posted by robert-ii:

Are you still banned, Rose?

Per banned forever that means I can't play this game anymore