passive mode removed?

[Sheep]

I started playing again after not touching the game for 2 years, i activate "defensive" mode thinking all PVP interactions will be disabled and it turns out i get killed anyway, the thing is that i swear i could remember a passvie mode like GTA online. Did they remove i?

[∆ тємрцѕ яеі ‡]

Defensive mode was never meant for you to "roam freely without confrontation" or, in other words get spawn camped again and again or spawn killed by script mod users.

Rockstar in infinite wisdom decided this "defensive mode" was superior; where you could still be ganked by players miles higher in stats than you, and all you could do was parley, temporary making your character go full passive to your attacker only.

https://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/ak14o88389k21o/Red-Dead-Online-Beta-The-Road-Ahead

Taken from Rockstar's announcement, March 19, 2019:

Offensive and Defensive Playing Style Options
Some players just want to immerse themselves in the world, riding, hunting and fishing in peace. We want to offer these options while allowing players to coexist comfortably alongside other players in the world. The Offensive Playing Style is much like the current Free Roam play as we know it while the Defensive Playing Style is a more evolved version of the Passive Mode concept, designed for Red Dead Online’s more grounded experience - giving players more flexibility in how they interact with the world and at the same time de-emphasizing hostile contact with other players.

Choosing the Defensive option introduces balances that complement a less confrontational approach: Defensive players cannot be lassoed by rival players - although if a Defensive player lassos another player, they’ll be removed from Defensive play and incur a significant Hostility level increase. Defensive players will trade the ability to lock on to other players for the benefit that other players will not be able to lock on to Defensive players.

While Defensive players can target and be targeted in free aim, they cannot deliver or receive critical hits – if a Defensive player is attacked with a headshot, they’ll survive and be able to defend themselves via the Hostility system or escape all while remaining Defensive. There are several other adjustments that come with the Defensive Playing Style, all of which are built to work seamlessly with systems like Hostility and Bounties to keep all players rooted in the world.

"they'll be able to dEfEnD tHeMsElVeS", i.e. forced to defend themselves, box your gaming ethos into a corner and play our way now. Unlike GTA's passive, where you are fully protected from online harassment. A wonder if they add defensive mode or passive mode to GTA 6? The most optimum way to trigger MTX is offer the least amount of protection for people. Look how GTA Online started out for evidence and company M.O.

Rockstar wanted people to get into gunfights, not sit around in a saloon and make friends. Thanks to this attitude and other factors like 0 anti cheat / updates, they shot RDO dead.

[Sheep]

Well that is just sad (and also extremely stupid).
I sincerely thank you a lot for awnsering my question

[Silhouette]

Yeah, :(

- No Passive Mode.
- Can't skip narrative cut-scenes.
- Can't adjust the difficulty of most story missions.
- Can't customize PvP matches.
- No options for Text Chat.
- No Private Lobbies.

Red Dead Online is a MASSIVE down-grade from GTA Online. And Rockstar wonders why it isn't as profitable. :/

[Sheep]

so basically it's like GTA online just that rockstar didn't want people to enjoy it

[Steven Shipler (JSA)]

Originally posted by Silhouette:

Yeah, :(

- No Passive Mode.
- Can't skip narrative cut-scenes.
- Can't adjust the difficulty of most story missions.
- Can't customize PvP matches.
- No options for Text Chat.
- No Private Lobbies.

Red Dead Online is a MASSIVE down-grade from GTA Online. And Rockstar wonders why it isn't a profitable. :/

You forgot no anti cheat

[Silhouette]

lol, yeah, but to be fair GTA Online doesn’t have an anti-cheat either. :(

All the other features I mentioned GTA does have but Red Dead Online does not; I’m not sure why Rockstar neglected to include them. Perhaps they wanted RDO to fail. :/

Like I said above, the absence of those features really makes Red Dead Online feel like a down-grade from GTA.

Fingers crossed they add those features back into GTA6 ALONG WITH an effective anti-cheat; but this is Rockstar we’re talking about, both GTA and RDO are absolutely saturated with cheaters, so I’m not holding my breath. :P

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Edit:
Back in July 2022, when Rockstar announced they were pulling devs off of RDO to focus on GTA6 they said:

“Over the past few years, we have been steadily moving more development resources towards the next entry in the Grand Theft Auto series — understanding more than ever the need to exceed players’ expectations…”

Maybe I’m over-analyzing this, but I always felt that last bit was a disparaging-remark towards the RDO community. It felt like they were saying: What’s the mater? Our cowboy game wasn’t good enough for you? WOW, there’s no pleasing you folks…

And, yeah. When basic quality-of-life features that were included in GTA are missing from RDO, it does disappoint the playerbase. o_o

Before Rockstar tries exceeding our expectations, could they at least try to meet them based on what was included in their previous online title?

lol, or maybe I’m just looking-too-much into that quote. Ugh! I’m so disappointed with RDO; I hope they get things right in GTA6. @_@

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[Sheep]

I truly hope rockstar stops showing the middle finger to their community

[Bakker]

from my experiences with RDo Most all people are super chill or just wanna chat. most griefers are newbies or hackers although hose guys are just here to ♥♥♥♥ around. I've only been griefed like twice

[Sheep]

It's true, but that doesn't mean that rockstar games hasn't messed up real bad in this game.

[kissakias]

easy all cheaters i found and all those that killed me while im always defensive, are blocked.