Why did this game die?

[loken]

Isnt it the first big VR MMO? what happened?

[your stupid]

Originally posted by reverentshadow:

My wife and I just hit lvl 40 not long after the expansion was released, and there is no one around to do dungeons with to advance our characters, where is everyone one? We play mostly on acolyte server, and never see any one in the high lvl areas, are they all doing the new stuff or is everyone leaving the game?

People get disappointed at the game well before level 30. The people who hit level 40 realize there's better games to play and forget about this game. Even if someone remembers this game, they won't find many things to do once they log back in.

[SumBro .Y.]

Originally posted by reverentshadow:

My wife and I just hit lvl 40 not long after the expansion was released, and there is no one around to do dungeons with to advance our characters, where is everyone one? We play mostly on acolyte server, and never see any one in the high lvl areas, are they all doing the new stuff or is everyone leaving the game? Seems like new stuff got released, and the older content just died out. It's not looking good at the moment for the survival of this game I'm afraid. Lots of potential here is being blown into the wind.

There are tons of people on right now to do that stuff with, the shard your on will drastically change what you see, but you use dungeon and raid finder shield icon not just asking arouind. Until your in a guild.

I dont konw euro , east coast, asia servers but there are effectively 2 west coast servers that are always filled with high lvel people one of which is the busiest server " acolyte" after the server restart it actaully works now too although its still laggy.

If your looking for help with the dungeon quests so you can do the que , forgotten reliq is pretty easy with two peple and even solo if you tank. However the others are not easy alone , with a partner it is incrdibly easy though so you and your wife will be able to do it.

If you still need help unlocking go to a high pop server like acolyte just to ask in town for help.

Most people ive seen are generally helpful and nice, the higher levels are either kids who dont act like it " not 100%" or older players who just arent d bags through and through.

Several large guild exist just to help people like Hi jimmy and helping hands.

[SumBro .Y.]

People get disappointed at the game well before level 30. The people who hit level 40 realize there's better games to play and forget about this game. Even if someone remembers this game, they won't find many things to do once they log back in. [/quote]

Disagree: although i rant about the problems plaguing this game. I see ♥♥♥♥ loads of players on every night. Tons of people like 100s of them have many level 40 accounts they just like to play and level then gear out endgame then restart.

If you get bored before 30 " just several hours into the game " then you shouldnt play mmos. This game is quite easy to spend huge amonts of time in and it has similar content to many young mmos.

At level 40 you run into the same problem all mmos have where all you do is daily grind and get gear to get the best gear to do the same daily grinds with.

Yes there is harder version of the content so you can gear and actually use it but its effectively the same thing.

I looked all over zenith site and discord, it seems that most of the people commenting on the game saing to change things have barely even touched the game " lvl 30" for instance and imo , most people playing vr games in general arent really gaming on it. Its more of a fun little luxury.

Ive not met anyone else in vr who plays for long periods of time like they would on a normal pc or console. You really dont find a lot of people spending 15 hours a day seveal days a week.

MMO genre is populated by these types of gamers and this game is not much different.

[Kate Hanami]

Final Fantasy IX was one of the first MMOs that was playable in console, it doesn't mean it was a great MMO, but the lack of options was what drew a playbase
updates that "build a a tower in the sky" shouldn't justify a flawed foundation that will crumble to the ground
for example: Fallout 76 was a barebones MMO that try to cash in the fallout name
and they released a AWFUL subscription model and just assume players liked the game in the crappy state they released on
same think with Elder Scrolls Online, they just released a barebones MMO with a Oblivion / Skyrim coat of pain on it, and they forced people to buy a DLC story to add some meat to the bones

[Cat of Darkness]

Originally posted by Kate Hanami:

Final Fantasy IX was one of the first MMOs that was playable in console, it doesn't mean it was a great MMO, but the lack of options was what drew a playbase
updates that "build a a tower in the sky" shouldn't justify a flawed foundation that will crumble to the ground
for example: Fallout 76 was a barebones MMO that try to cash in the fallout name
and they released a AWFUL subscription model and just assume players liked the game in the crappy state they released on
same think with Elder Scrolls Online, they just released a barebones MMO with a Oblivion / Skyrim coat of pain on it, and they forced people to buy a DLC story to add some meat to the bones

I dont know about that, that seems to be influenced by your personal bias against those games. Ff11 was so well recieved that recieved that its still going strong with an active playerbase despite there being other MMOs people can play since its released. And to say ESO is barebones is also a bit rediculous given how all of its literally hundreds of dungeons, dozens of raids, and like 50+ zones are included in its subs + box/expansion cost which is just about as standard as an MMO monetization can get.

You may disagree on the quality of those games but enough people liked them that theyre recognized as some of the most succesful games in the genre.

Even considering how genre starved VR is for MMOs, Zenith has still massively flopped while you were trying to say those two games did well only because people were desperate for something to play. Your argument there doesnt really follow through.

[your stupid]

Originally posted by Collision:

And to say ESO is barebones is also a bit rediculous given how all of it literally hundreds of dungeons, dozens of raids, and like 50+ zones, most of which are included in its subs + box/expansion prices which is just about as standard as an MMO monetization cam get.

Every day I play ESO, I learn about some feature that i've never known existed in the game, or i discover a new location that I haven't been in before.

[Lamp]

Originally posted by Dr. Sinister:

Many of the posters who tell you not to buy it are just ignorant gamers who thought they bought an early release without the knowledge of what early access means. The game has been out for 5 months and it clearly states on the store page that the game is in development still.

If the game is in the same state 6 months from now with zero improvements or anything added then you might have valid complaints

The stupid thing about this logic is I said the same thing 5 months ago and here we are.

[SumBro .Y.]

Originally posted by Lamp:

Originally posted by Dr. Sinister:

Many of the posters who tell you not to buy it are just ignorant gamers who thought they bought an early release without the knowledge of what early access means. The game has been out for 5 months and it clearly states on the store page that the game is in development still.

If the game is in the same state 6 months from now with zero improvements or anything added then you might have valid complaints

The stupid thing about this logic is I said the same thing 5 months ago and here we are.

Are you saying that the game hasnt changed in 5 months or that it has?

[SumBro .Y.]

Originally posted by Kate Hanami:

Final Fantasy IX was one of the first MMOs that was playable in console, it doesn't mean it was a great MMO, but the lack of options was what drew a playbase
updates that "build a a tower in the sky" shouldn't justify a flawed foundation that will crumble to the ground
for example: Fallout 76 was a barebones MMO that try to cash in the fallout name
and they released a AWFUL subscription model and just assume players liked the game in the crappy state they released on
same think with Elder Scrolls Online, they just released a barebones MMO with a Oblivion / Skyrim coat of pain on it, and they forced people to buy a DLC story to add some meat to the bones

You mean ff11 i assume? And for its time it was a pretty damn good mmo.

Im confused about your comment though. You just complain about a few mmos, what exactly are you trying to imply? that zenith is a bad game? that its lazy or has poor release quality? Am i totally off are you even talking about zenith here?

[DonnieDauntless]

A lack of content and substantive communication led to an unhealthy mmo. Player count dropped under 300 by February and its hovering around 100 ever since.

[kafersaft]

Originally posted by DonnieDauntless:

A lack of content and substantive communication led to an unhealthy mmo. Player count dropped under 300 by February and its hovering around 100 ever since.

People need to stop acting like the Steam players accounts for the entire population. Literally everyone I've ever met in game plays on Quest, without connecting to their PC, therefor not using Steam.
Is the population high? No, not really. But pretending like a percentage of that population is the entire population is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dumb.

[SumBro .Y.]

Originally posted by kafersaft:

Originally posted by DonnieDauntless:

A lack of content and substantive communication led to an unhealthy mmo. Player count dropped under 300 by February and its hovering around 100 ever since.

People need to stop acting like the Steam players accounts for the entire population. Literally everyone I've ever met in game plays on Quest, without connecting to their PC, therefor not using Steam.
Is the population high? No, not really. But pretending like a percentage of that population is the entire population is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dumb.

Ya dont use player counts from steam for this game, but do use in game experiences... considering that all the top players have told me that 50 people a day were online until this patch id take it as true.
Also long term players have pretty much all been saying as soon as they get gear they will probably lose interest and leave again " legendarys" because the game is super repetitive as well as glitchy as hell.

in fact for just now as an example, 1 raid then 2 expert roulettes were so laggy mechanics in the dungeons just broke, enemies teleported around becamed invisible. Everyone just left, the dungeons were not completable and the others in them said they just had the issue and re entered to have it again.

But player acounts are higher than steam for sure

[Cat of Darkness]

Originally posted by kafersaft:

Originally posted by DonnieDauntless:

A lack of content and substantive communication led to an unhealthy mmo. Player count dropped under 300 by February and its hovering around 100 ever since.

People need to stop acting like the Steam players accounts for the entire population. Literally everyone I've ever met in game plays on Quest, without connecting to their PC, therefor not using Steam.
Is the population high? No, not really. But pretending like a percentage of that population is the entire population is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dumb.

Everyone knows those numbers are coming from steam as its the only tackable source. Do you really expect them to explicitly state that EVERY TIME its mentioned?

[SumBro .Y.]

Player count is not what you need to look at right now anyway, its the community chatter. Pretty much everyone who matters is closing in on gearing now. They will all leave, then the new players and newish players will just see an empty game when they try it and bail

[HostileLogOut]

as many people said. the game lacks any depth. and to boot it has quite a big issue with delay and combat is fairly simple and on top of that if you don't use skills you do no dmg. not exactly fun. also its not the first vr mmo. there has been other attempts made. all shutdown or has been abandoned