Eternity

[rAaR]

why are the eternity upgrades so expensive? like 3 days at eternity and i've gone from like e3400 to e3700. am i doing something wrong or is this an actual wall put in the game? if its a wall i think im done cuz i've lost all interest in trying to make it through

like my time dimensions currently cost 109.42 QT, 60.79 QT, 405.26 QT, and 150.09 QT where i get maybe 25QT a run, and those upgrades barely seem to do anything or help what so ever.

[SkyStream]

pretty sure that's just the thing with Prestige layers, 3 Days into a new prestige layer is still pretty early in it

[Huillam]

At e3700 you should (maybe) be working on either reaching the soft cap for Infinity Upgrade 2 or moving into Eternity Challenge 1.

[rAaR]

Originally posted by Huillam:

At e3700 you should (maybe) be working on either reaching the soft cap for Infinity Upgrade 2 or moving into Eternity Challenge 1.

infinity upgrade 2? im guessing thats the infinity points x2 upgrade? currently at 2.85e1126 and my next upgrade is 1e3743. eternity challenge 1 i need 20k eternities, im at 120 and also require 10 more time theorems which will take a couple more days to get i guess.

i dunno eternity is a massive wall, i was able to make it through infinity in proably 2-3 days but also felt like every upgrade i purchased i'd see a good uptick in speed to make it through. with eternity you only see the difference if you leave it running for 24 hours and even then you only go up like from 3740 to 3745.

Am i screwing myself with my time studies? for the first fork i went for infinity dims to get higher into the 3700 where i switched from the antimatter dims. for the 2nd fork i went with idle because i feel like im having to spend so much time in each eternity i figured the infinity multiplier from being in same eternity would help increase gain speed.

[Huillam]

Originally posted by rAaR:

infinity upgrade 2? im guessing thats the infinity points x2 upgrade? currently at 2.85e1126 and my next upgrade is 1e3743. eternity challenge 1 i need 20k eternities, im at 120 and also require 10 more time theorems which will take a couple more days to get i guess.

My bad I meant Eternity Upgrade 2. The one that scales with eternities with a soft cap at 1e5 eternities. I've been able to reduce the time it takes for one eternity from 1.1s this morning to 0.39s. Reaching 100,000 is still going to require a few hours but that's not that abominable.

Regarding TS, Antimatter Dims has been way behind the other two for a while for me. Time Dims was better this morning but I've since increased the bonus from Eternity Upgrade 2 from 1e7 to 1e18 and the Infinity Dims path became much better (at least for super short eternities).
For EP farming I tend to stick with the Passive path (its EP peak was 5 time higher than Idle one when I checked yesterday). Idle gave me excellent results for deep pushes.

[rAaR]

lol not a single upgrade after 24 hours and not even close to enough eternity points for next time dimension and still 12 time theorems away from next upgrade. yep standing by what i said, eternity is the worst thing, and i've lost all sense of progress or achievement, onto the next idle game.

[Nico]

Hmmm, I think I might know what your problem is.

Originally posted by rAaR:

infinity upgrade 2? im guessing thats the infinity points x2 upgrade? currently at 2.85e1126 and my next upgrade is 1e3743. eternity challenge 1 i need 20k eternities, im at 120 and also require 10 more time theorems which will take a couple more days to get i guess.

If I understand this here correctly you are at 120 eternities while having e3700 IP? I'm at like 11k Eternities with only around e2800 IP.

If you really only are at 120 Eternities I think exactly that is your issue. You are doing way too long runs. You usually only do medium long runs for getting EP, which I guess means something like minutes. Simply once your EP/min begins to no longer get bigger. But you seemed to have focused on doign super long runs with big single EP rewards, since you were used to do that from Infinities, where this actually worked quite nicely. But in Eternites doing more Eternies is better than doing fewer.

You usually only want to go the idle path if you want to get new time theorems from IP and AM, other than that you want to go the active or passive path to quickly farm EP. Or even do super short runs to just farm eternities. Since the second Eternity upgrade scales on your numbers of Eternities done, and up until it reaches the softcap of 100k Eternities it scales really well and provides a huge boost. Which is why I recently did some short sub 1 sec Eternities to get up to 11k Eternities to get a more decent boost out of it. And will use the offline gains of 50% of my quickest Eternity as Eternities/min while I sleep to further increase it.

Usually my run maybe takes like 2 hours when I do a deep push run for new TT's, other than that my runs for EP just take a few minutes each. Though I guess if I would be really desperate for a new TT I maybe woulf also push a little longer. I would never want to do a run that gets close to a day, that would seem way too wasteful to me. Like I said, it worked perfectly fine to do it for Infinities to get more IP, but for Eternities this currently is simply not the way to go. If I were you I would get my Eternity count up to at least 10k or maybe even all the way up to 100k to then use its power to get further. And since you use the Infinity Dim path be sure to also have one really short eternity to buff the 92 upgrade. If you got the 171 upgrade the time dim path might also be viable as 171 is a big buff to time dimensions. And be sure to also have reduced the record times for all your infinity challenges as much as possible, as that greatly buffs the third Eternity upgrade.

Eternity is simply the point of the game where you have a lot of choices and where a lot depends on your strategies. In infinities you could just brute force most things by spending more time, but in Eternities this no longer works as well. If your strategy is too bad or you neglected buffing or considering your upgrades you will eventually encounter a big wall. I guess ome players would also consider it as a puzzle, as there always is one best thing to do and you have to figure it out, but there are still enough decent enough ways to get further with more time investment. But there still are some that just won't work at all.

[Leandro Eidi]

I came here to the forums to ask exactly that, if Eternity is supposed to be this slow, or if I'm doing something wrong. When I finally save enough to buy a new Time Study, or to upgrade a Time Dimension, my EP/min rises like from 49e3 to 51e3... And the prices of Time Thorems and Time Dimensions rise like crazy. Don't feel the good sense of progression I did before. I tried different Time Study paths, but nothing made much difference.

Originally posted by rAaR:

onto the next idle game.

Seeing how much time I spent on this one, I think I'd rather stay away from idle games for a bit and focus on the things I should be focusing on in life :P

[archmag]

Originally posted by rAaR:

for the first fork i went for infinity dims to get higher into the 3700 where i switched from the antimatter dims. for the 2nd fork i went with idle because i feel like im having to spend so much time in each eternity i figured the infinity multiplier from being in same eternity would help increase gain speed.

You don't have to spend so much time in each eternity though. Everything points you into direction of short runs: 2nd eternity upgrade requires a lot of eternities to be effective, 1st eternity challenge requires 20k eternities, last achievement (I guess you must have gotten the other ones already) in 10th row requires you to get 1000 eternities, but you for some reason decided to do long runs these early instead. Are you sure your EP/m is even increasing when you wait longer? It looks more like you are supposed to do a lot of short eternities then one long to collect time theorems from IP and Antimatter and then back to short ones.

Check the multiplier you get from 3rd Eternity Upgrade, make sure you didn't forget to update Infinity Challenge records (I just updated two challenges after I bought it which were around 1 second and it increased from 76x to 2.43e8).

Edit: played a little with autobuyers and updated all infinity challenges to 28-37ms records, this gives 6.38e14 3rd eternity mutliplier.

[Leandro Eidi]

I was able to progress a bit. I think that the main problem of Eternity is its sudden complexity because of Time Studies. Until that point, the game was very straightforward, but Time Studies sudden require different builds at different moments depending on the objetive (getting more EP per minute or getting farther to get more Time Thorems), the amount of time thorems, constant testing and checking which paths are better...

For example, guides suggest folllowing the Infinity Dims path, but at some point through testing I found out following the Antimatter Dims path was better because I could reach point 111, which was better than Infinity Dims path without it. But now I can't be sure if that path is still the better one for me unless I keep testing. And keep respec-ing and testing again after I get more Time Theorems. And testing and choosing between 21-41 or 22-42 when I don't have points for both.

It does feel like too much work for an idle game, and I would guess many players would quit at this point. Like I almost did.

[archmag]

Originally posted by Leandro Eidi:

I was able to progress a bit. I think that the main problem of Eternity is its sudden complexity because of Time Studies. Until that point, the game was very straightforward, but Time Studies sudden require different builds at different moments depending on the objetive (getting more EP per minute or getting farther to get more Time Thorems), the amount of time thorems, constant testing and checking which paths are better...

Don't forget Infinities too. Most of the time you can ignore them but when doing a long run it is useful to make a very quick infinity reset or have a certain Time Study (TS32) unlocked so that you gain a higher multiplier to ADs. Even during a single Eternity you may need to switch through several settings for autobuyers to get the most out of it.

For example, guides suggest folllowing the Infinity Dims path, but at some point through testing I found out following the Antimatter Dims path was better because I could reach point 111, which was better than Infinity Dims path without it. But now I can't be sure if that path is still the better one for me unless I keep testing. And keep respec-ing and testing again after I get more Time Theorems. And testing and choosing between 21-41 or 22-42 when I don't have points for both.

Infinity Dim path is cheaper (16 vs 23) so you can have few more studies unlocked together with using it but when you have extra theorems after unlocking the important things but not enough to unlock another important thing it may be useful to switch to other paths. At least that's how I use TS22-TS42 and extra paths.

It does feel like too much work for an idle game, and I would guess many players would quit at this point. Like I almost did.

It's not just an idle game, it is also an incremental game and extra complexity in such games is making them more interesting for some. So while some people are looking for an idle game where you have to do minimal amount of things and still progress quickly, other people are looking for an incremental game where you have to try, compare, analyze, choose different things to find a better route. The game doesn't have to pander to both groups of people at once and it can't because they have opposing goals. So it is not a problem if one group become disappointed and leave as long as there are still people who enjoy the game thanks to those mechanics.

Some people are even doing math to find a better solution, like in one of the recent threads there was an example of graph that displayed how 2nd eternity upgrade scales with amount of eternities. While I did some simple calculations and checked that at softcap it ends at e23 multiplier, some people went much further and actually plotted a graph showing how it increases.

[Biometrix]

Originally posted by archmag:

Infinity Dim path is cheaper (16 vs 23)

False. Antimatter Dimensions path is cheaper, 16 vs 23.

[archmag]

Originally posted by Biometrix:

Originally posted by archmag:

Infinity Dim path is cheaper (16 vs 23)

False. Antimatter Dimensions path is cheaper, 16 vs 23.

Lol, yeah, not sure why I called it Infinity Dim when I meant the leftmost one. Both Infinity and Time are 23 while Antimatter is 16. I must have also misread what was initially written too because I thought guide recommends the first path.