One resource is always missing [help!]

[bardosy[HUN]]

After the tutorial I tried new mission. I follow the steps as in the tutorial, but when I made my first manufacture, I cannot produce anything because one of the resource was missing and cannot find in the city. I wandering/discover the city until I out of money, but didnt find that resource. Now I start a new game: my first building produce apple juice and ice, so I build an Apple jack manufacture in the basement. Bot no small bottle in the town. I feel this is the very same as I experienced earlier: I will discover the whole city, but no small bottle as resource. I cannot produce anything and I run out of money.

What did I do wrong? Why always one resource is missing? Am I super badluck to experience this two times in a row, or this happened in purpose?

[galadon3]

Sometimes the random map generation ends you in those situations. I had several such starts today. Your best chance is if your starting legal buisnsess produces the base product for one of the cheap booze types that need stoneware, because there is a ton of sources for stoneware around the city.

[bardosy[HUN]]

So, if I cannot start a stable business in the first building, then its bad luck and start a new game until I get a better first building?

[SirZobarX]

Pretty much. Also, pay attention to your character's traits. Noting like playing for an hour then realizing that you're a loudmouth, clumsy pacifist.

[SomaSim]

Originally posted by bardosyHUN:

What did I do wrong? Why always one resource is missing? Am I super badluck to experience this two times in a row, or this happened in purpose?

Can you share random value from the map? It's in the save/load dialog.

[Imzai]

Originally posted by bardosyHUN:

After the tutorial I tried new mission. I follow the steps as in the tutorial, but when I made my first manufacture, I cannot produce anything because one of the resource was missing and cannot find in the city. I wandering/discover the city until I out of money, but didnt find that resource. Now I start a new game: my first building produce apple juice and ice, so I build an Apple jack manufacture in the basement. Bot no small bottle in the town. I feel this is the very same as I experienced earlier: I will discover the whole city, but no small bottle as resource. I cannot produce anything and I run out of money.

What did I do wrong? Why always one resource is missing? Am I super badluck to experience this two times in a row, or this happened in purpose?

Explore more, there's no way there's no small bottles or crocks. Or don't fixate your mind on producing a specific product. Save it for later when you actually have explored more and unlocked more items. Sometimes the items are '?' because you haven't got enough relations.

[bardosy[HUN]]

Originally posted by Imzai:

Explore more, there's no way there's no small bottles or crocks. Or don't fixate your mind on producing a specific product. Save it for later when you actually have explored more and unlocked more items. Sometimes the items are '?' because you haven't got enough relations.

I explore pretty much territory. There is a lot of crocks, but no small bottle. My problem is if in a map there are a lot of small bottle, then the first building what I got cannot produce a product what needs small bottle. And when the first building is for produce Applejack, then the map (a huge part at least) is not contain any small bottle.

My guess was you will suggest me to use more "favor" to make more respect and somehow those already discovered cafes and restaurants will provide small bottle. But bc nobody suggested me this, I guess I just need to start a new game over and over again until I found a first building what produce that product what I have all resource in the neighborhood (in the far neighborhood).

[galadon3]

Nope small bottles arent illegal, so if you know about them (wich afaik you do from the start) they will show. Unknown stuff a buisness sells is either stuff you don't know about yet or its something illegal (meaning some kind of booze) they are willing to trade in. Only the illegal stuff will show after you raised the disposition.
The text will tell you if the stuff they dont show you is illegal or unknown.

And yes the map generation needs some overhaul, a map where you can't even start a basic production within the first 20 turns is really not worth playing.
I wasted a ton of time yesterday, FIFTEEN starts in wich I either:
- Had only stoneware but none of the needed ingredients
- Had two stoneware and ingridients but not for the skills I had and the one I needed refused to show up
- Started in some kind of industrial area with great production capacity but not ONE buyer
- Had actually a start without a single stoneware supplier
(All of the above maps explored 10 movement points in every direction, for the lacking skill, checked everybody who had a learn skill offer AND did the take 5 corners quest)

Now I am sure that yesterday the RNG gods HATED me and I finally found a map where I could start a brick wine production.

The problem is that later on you can improvise and make some stuff work, making your own customers with bootleggers and speakeasies or produce some needed stuff from the basic ressource (apple juice from apples etc.), but all that needs money to invest and without that first production running and bringing in money you can't do any of that.

So the map generation should at least be a bit tweaked to make sure you can get a first buisness running quick, to save players this kind of hassle.
Cause while I do like the game, yesterday I was REALLY close to de-install.

[bardosy[HUN]]

@galadon3: Thank you for the reply!

@SomaSim: I will post the seed at afternoon from home.

[bardosy[HUN]]

Originally posted by SomaSim:

Can you share random value from the map? It's in the save/load dialog.

This is the seed: 1524691685
I got a fist building produce ice and apple syrup and I have the skill to create an apple jack factory. I did built it and discover a little big territory, but didnt find any Small Bottle.

[tpvanorman]

When you don't have the starting ingredient for your booze type (apple juice, grape concentrate, malt syrup, neutral alcohol,) the game will usually give you a mission where you deliver containers and they fill them up with the ingredient. Once you complete the mission, it gives you the option to restart the mission, which you should almost always take.

I find that malt syrup and neutral alcohol are often found in industrial zoned area (check your information display, same menu as heat maps and police districts) while apple juice, grape concentrate, crocks and bottles are usually found in commercial zoned areas.

[Rags]

Originally posted by bardosyHUN:

Originally posted by SomaSim:

Can you share random value from the map? It's in the save/load dialog.

This is the seed: 1524691685
I got a fist building produce ice and apple syrup and I have the skill to create an apple jack factory. I did built it and discover a little big territory, but didnt find any Small Bottle.

What City, Version, and Nationality?

Also, check the “Try This Seed” pinned thread for more friendly starts until you get the hang of it better.

[bardosy[HUN]]

Originally posted by Rags:

What City, Version, and Nationality?

Also, check the “Try This Seed” pinned thread for more friendly starts until you get the hang of it better.

Pittsburg, Hungarian, latest version, but created yesterday (one version bellow)
Thanks for the tip about Try this seed topic!

[Rags]

Originally posted by bardosyHUN:

Originally posted by Rags:

What City, Version, and Nationality?

Also, check the “Try This Seed” pinned thread for more friendly starts until you get the hang of it better.

Pittsburg, Hungarian, latest version, but created yesterday (one version bellow)
Thanks for the tip about Try this seed topic!

I've been wanting to fire up Pitt and see what it has to offer. I'll take this one on tonight and see what I can find for you.

[Rags]

Woof, tough seed! It's going to be a struggle.

[Geandily]

I like the fact that there can be tough seeds. IMO they should put some of the suggested seeds into the game menu as
"Friendly Start"
"Tough Start"
"Impossible Start"

I once had a start where every seller of the stuff I needed had brawling hooligans with billyclubs and my character was a pacifist... it was tough, but I was able to get established with connections and above mentioned missions for filling crocks with applejuice. I eventually abandoned the run but only because I was still learning and wanted to experiment with another map but it *is* possible once you learn the game a bit more to survive...

Long term I probably would have been crushed by another outfit due to the slow start