City of gangers vs Gangsters 1-2

[Swatski]

What you think of this game boys and girls ?
what is your expectations?
do any of you remember the old game from 2000 called gangster 2 ? It use to be one of my favorit game and since then, i have really missed a good "gangster simulator" game.

this might be the closest thing we have been to this genre in many years. I really hope its gonna be good. Crews, hit and run, hitmans, bribes of police, jails, juges....cardgames, tommyguns. and cool gangster cars and much more, weapon and skill upgrades. specilist with abilitys like "kidnap, drive, bomb, weapons and so on.

I really hope you are gonna have this a great game. i Rather have this game later and it becomes good than just an ok game.

Or atleast considering makeing a version 2 of City of gangster. I would love to play it. I am a power hungry dude i know, but the feeling of power is great :D

[Wabi Sabi]

Автор сообщения: Etack

Never played Gangsters 2 but did play Gangsters 1. At this point I would have to say that Gangsters 1 is a better mob/gangster game than City of Gangsters. Gangsters 1 let you be the type of gangster you wanted to be. At this point the only thing you can really do is bootleg alcoholic beverages. This game gets that right but I think what people are saying is this game could be so much more than it is. I want to start feeling more like a mob boss or gang leader instead of just a beer distributor.

Because this is a game about prohibition and bootlegging, not a game about 'the mob.'

At this point I wish they'd just named the game something else. 'City of Gangsters' gives people the wrong impression. This game is good *because* it focuses on bootlegging. Games like Empire of Sin tried to focus too much on combat and less on business and suffered because of it.

[Alun1]

Автор сообщения: Wabi Sabi

Автор сообщения: Etack

Never played Gangsters 2 but did play Gangsters 1. At this point I would have to say that Gangsters 1 is a better mob/gangster game than City of Gangsters. Gangsters 1 let you be the type of gangster you wanted to be. At this point the only thing you can really do is bootleg alcoholic beverages. This game gets that right but I think what people are saying is this game could be so much more than it is. I want to start feeling more like a mob boss or gang leader instead of just a beer distributor.

Because this is a game about prohibition and bootlegging, not a game about 'the mob.'

At this point I wish they'd just named the game something else. 'City of Gangsters' gives people the wrong impression. This game is good *because* it focuses on bootlegging. Games like Empire of Sin tried to focus too much on combat and less on business and suffered because of it.

empire of sin was essentially a sequel to omerta.

this game is exactly what it always said it was, a bootlegging tycoon game.

[Tim]

Автор сообщения: Wabi Sabi

Автор сообщения: Etack

Never played Gangsters 2 but did play Gangsters 1. At this point I would have to say that Gangsters 1 is a better mob/gangster game than City of Gangsters. Gangsters 1 let you be the type of gangster you wanted to be. At this point the only thing you can really do is bootleg alcoholic beverages. This game gets that right but I think what people are saying is this game could be so much more than it is. I want to start feeling more like a mob boss or gang leader instead of just a beer distributor.

Because this is a game about prohibition and bootlegging, not a game about 'the mob.'

At this point I wish they'd just named the game something else. 'City of Gangsters' gives people the wrong impression. This game is good *because* it focuses on bootlegging. Games like Empire of Sin tried to focus too much on combat and less on business and suffered because of it.

You do realize that violence was a major part of the Prohibition era, right? Those same bootleggers were also involved in other criminal enterprises such as loansharking, gambling, prostitution and narcotics. I do agree with you on the name of the game. They should have called Bootlegging Tycoon because anybody who sees the title of this game is going to think that you can do more than just set up a bootlegging business.

This game reminds me of the old Capitalism series which allowed you to manufacture products, distribute them and set up retail store in various cities on a map. That's exactly what this game reminds me of. There's even a few scenarios in Capitalism that allow you to make liquor and beer for distribution. The only difference between that game and this game is the legality of making such products.

All I'm saying is a game titled City of Gangsters should have a lot more to it than just bootlegging. Not every gangster was a bootlegger. Some made their money in other ways. This game only allows you to bootleg. Where are the other criminal enterprises that gangsters actually did? Something else to point out too. One can't really determine that the game is just about Prohibition and bootlegging from the title of the game. I think that's part of the problem. People are expecting more than just bootlegging from a game titled City of Gangsters.

[Wabi Sabi]

Автор сообщения: Etack

Автор сообщения: Wabi Sabi

Because this is a game about prohibition and bootlegging, not a game about 'the mob.'

At this point I wish they'd just named the game something else. 'City of Gangsters' gives people the wrong impression. This game is good *because* it focuses on bootlegging. Games like Empire of Sin tried to focus too much on combat and less on business and suffered because of it.

You do realize that violence was a major part of the Prohibition era, right? Those same bootleggers were also involved in other criminal enterprises such as loansharking, gambling, prostitution and narcotics.

Major? For some major factions, sure, eventually. For others, particularly small time bootleggers, they never saw violence.

Bootleggers were businessmen first and foremost. Violence not only wasn't an option, it was undesirable and bad for business. I think the disconnect here is with "the mob" and bootleggers. This game isn't focused on "the mob." It's focused on bootleggers. Was there overlap? Yes. Was only "the mob" bootlegging? No, not even close.

Anyway, if it makes you feel better, imagine the game is called something else. Otherwise, start wrapping your head around the idea that despite your wishes, this is a game about bootlegging, and at least for the time being, only bootlegging.

[SomaSim]

Ok folks, it seems like it's time to drop this before things overheat.

[Wabi Sabi]

With all due respect, no one is overheating. We're just having a discussion. Please don't be too quick to pull the trigger on thread locking - shutting down discussion because someone *might* say something is a bit heavy handed and a surefire way to disincentivize people from having discussions here at all.

[AlBoulcan]

Автор сообщения: Swatski

What you think of this game boys and girls ?
what is your expectations?
do any of you remember the old game from 2000 called gangster 2 ? It use to be one of my favorit game and since then, i have really missed a good "gangster simulator" game.

this might be the closest thing we have been to this genre in many years. I really hope its gonna be good. Crews, hit and run, hitmans, bribes of police, jails, juges....cardgames, tommyguns. and cool gangster cars and much more, weapon and skill upgrades. specilist with abilitys like "kidnap, drive, bomb, weapons and so on.

I really hope you are gonna have this a great game. i Rather have this game later and it becomes good than just an ok game.

Or atleast considering makeing a version 2 of City of gangster. I would love to play it. I am a power hungry dude i know, but the feeling of power is great :D

i was playing gangsters organized crime and it was the best gangster strategy game so far. I also played gangsters 2 and i was on top of the multiplayer official and unofficial ladders back then but was a downgrade from gangsters 1. i played also omerta and other gangsters games since then, but this game even by indie company they made a really realistic awesome game with space for lot of improvements. Godfather 2 movie is an excelent movie if you haven't watch before start playing COG trust me, specially the rise of Vito Corleone!

[SomaSim]

Автор сообщения: Wabi Sabi

With all due respect, no one is overheating. We're just having a discussion.

Ok, I'm just asking everybody to please (continue to) be charitable towards each other :)

[Alun1]

too many are focused on gangsters: organised crime, if that's the game you want it already exists, go play it.

this game was never going to live up to the immense expectations people had for it. they wanted GoC 2, it was never marketed that way. it's a small studio, give them some credit for what they pulled off, i thoroughly enjoyed it having just finished my first run through.

[Wilberforce]

@Alun1 .. yeah well said.

I still havent had a fulll run.. i like to start a new game after a update ... and they come fast and close around here... So first some sleep.. Then to fire up a new game on 1.0.7

[Tim]

Автор сообщения: SomaSim

Автор сообщения: Wabi Sabi

With all due respect, no one is overheating. We're just having a discussion.

Ok, I'm just asking everybody to please (continue to) be charitable towards each other :)

No problems on my end. Just expressing my opinion. I like what there is to the game. I just think there should be a lot more to it than just bootlegging as there was more to that specific era than just bootlegging. That's the one thing I think some people are missing. There were gangsters before Prohibition.

Jim Colosimo was hit by Johnny Torrio and Al Capone for not wanting to get into bootlegging. Colosimo was running gambling dens, brothels and other criminal enterprises before being bootlegging became a big deal. When Torrio and Capone took over those things didn't just disappear. Those things don't even exist in this game. The only thing that exists is the bootlegging. That's my point. A game called City of Gangsters should make me feel as if I'm a gangster not just a bootlegger. Joseph Kennedy (JFK's father) was into bootlegging but he wasn't a gangster.

[Tim]

Автор сообщения: Alun1

too many are focused on gangsters: organised crime, if that's the game you want it already exists, go play it.

this game was never going to live up to the immense expectations people had for it. they wanted GoC 2, it was never marketed that way. it's a small studio, give them some credit for what they pulled off, i thoroughly enjoyed it having just finished my first run through.

They're a small studio so we should just look the other way when they make a game about gangsters that really doesn't allow you to be that much of a gangster. They have the bootlegging part down. I'll give them that. But gangsters and crime existed before Prohibition. The reason this game gets compared to GOC because in that game you can do it all. This game basically just about bootlegging.

[galadon3]

Honestly no, its because people never even bothered to look at what this game is advertised as and instead decided to project the game they WANTED to play onto it.

[Tim]

Автор сообщения: CA4-AlBoulcan

Автор сообщения: Swatski

What you think of this game boys and girls ?
what is your expectations?
do any of you remember the old game from 2000 called gangster 2 ? It use to be one of my favorit game and since then, i have really missed a good "gangster simulator" game.

this might be the closest thing we have been to this genre in many years. I really hope its gonna be good. Crews, hit and run, hitmans, bribes of police, jails, juges....cardgames, tommyguns. and cool gangster cars and much more, weapon and skill upgrades. specilist with abilitys like "kidnap, drive, bomb, weapons and so on.

I really hope you are gonna have this a great game. i Rather have this game later and it becomes good than just an ok game.

Or atleast considering makeing a version 2 of City of gangster. I would love to play it. I am a power hungry dude i know, but the feeling of power is great :D

i was playing gangsters organized crime and it was the best gangster strategy game so far. I also played gangsters 2 and i was on top of the multiplayer official and unofficial ladders back then but was a downgrade from gangsters 1. i played also omerta and other gangsters games since then, but this game even by indie company they made a really realistic awesome game with space for lot of improvements. Godfather 2 movie is an excelent movie if you haven't watch before start playing COG trust me, specially the rise of Vito Corleone!

Good point. In Godfather 2 Vito didn't make it to the top by bootlegging. That's my point with this game. Not every gangster was a bootlegger. Gangsters existed before Prohibition and were mixed up in other things. This game does a good job with the bootlegging aspect but real gangsters were mixed up in more than just bootlegging.

[AlBoulcan]

Автор сообщения: Etack

Автор сообщения: CA4-AlBoulcan

i was playing gangsters organized crime and it was the best gangster strategy game so far. I also played gangsters 2 and i was on top of the multiplayer official and unofficial ladders back then but was a downgrade from gangsters 1. i played also omerta and other gangsters games since then, but this game even by indie company they made a really realistic awesome game with space for lot of improvements. Godfather 2 movie is an excelent movie if you haven't watch before start playing COG trust me, specially the rise of Vito Corleone!

Good point. In Godfather 2 Vito didn't make it to the top by bootlegging. That's my point with this game. Not every gangster was a bootlegger. Gangsters existed before Prohibition and were mixed up in other things. This game does a good job with the bootlegging aspect but real gangsters were mixed up in more than just bootlegging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNmKwhb-TVI&ab_channel=TheCultureMafia

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