it's difficult to unlock Heiner now

[KJ (雲飛)]

Follow the guide for internet, the game dev take wrong medicine? Why we new player have to fight a ridiculous boss DT-800 to unlock Heiner now? There just two golem for previous player to unlock.
I can accept challenge. But Set a huge difficuly to prevent we new player? Many guides recommend Heiner,But I cant get this character even if I tried many times. Worst game to waste my time and money

[Tsuru]

While a guide may recommend characters. You dont NEED certain characters. Learning the game, and cards and combos of characters you do have is better overall. Madness 0 is a joke the more you play. Eventually youll get to a point where everything dies in 1 or 2 rounds, including bosses.

Focus on learning other aspects of the game before trying to unlock him. Trust me, you'll be better prepared for what the difficulty has in store for you later.

[EXL72]

Stack up your perk points from games, it'll become infinitely easier in later runs. if you do have a terrible time, try for other characters instead. Sylvie condition is relatively easier, and Malukah is pretty okay condition too, but you do need 1000 gold before Marsh and defeat the boss of Suspicious Hatch.

[Shotagonist]

Originally posted by KJ (雲飛):

Follow the guide for internet, the game dev take wrong medicine? Why we new player have to fight a ridiculous boss DT-800 to unlock Heiner now? There just two golem for previous player to unlock.
I can accept challenge. But Set a huge difficuly to prevent we new player? Many guides recommend Heiner,But I cant get this character even if I tried many times. Worst game to waste my time and money

this game is build around stacking metaprogression and not so much smart play so you are basically forced to run into a brick wall until you stacked enough bonuses to trivialize encounters. I lost 12 hours to this game until I realized this.

[el Darkness]

Meta progression in part of the difficulty and the game is supposed to be played, but smart play is just as important if not. On low difficulty lvl, Perks will be enough to carry you through, if you also learn the game well, you will need much less Perks to accomplish this. On higher difficulties Perks will not be enough.

While it is unfair that older players may have had it easier to unlock Heiner, there are heroes that are still harder to unlock and judging from Steam achievments, they are not uncommon to unlock. I recomment patience rather than rushing through the game, if you build up your Perks you will unlock Heiner and much more.

[iSurvivedRKelly]

We unlocked him on our 3rd run, that boss wasnt hard. And we are noobs just started playing.

[el Darkness]

Congrats, defeating hidden boss in act 2 on 3rd run is no small feat. :)

[dan.w]

Originally posted by Shotagonist:

Originally posted by KJ (雲飛):

Follow the guide for internet, the game dev take wrong medicine? Why we new player have to fight a ridiculous boss DT-800 to unlock Heiner now? There just two golem for previous player to unlock.
I can accept challenge. But Set a huge difficuly to prevent we new player? Many guides recommend Heiner,But I cant get this character even if I tried many times. Worst game to waste my time and money

this game is build around stacking metaprogression and not so much smart play so you are basically forced to run into a brick wall until you stacked enough bonuses to trivialize encounters. I lost 12 hours to this game until I realized this.

The game is beatable on Madness 0 with no perks and the starting characters. It's not easy but it's definitely doable.

[Shotagonist]

Originally posted by dan.w:

Originally posted by Shotagonist:

this game is build around stacking metaprogression and not so much smart play so you are basically forced to run into a brick wall until you stacked enough bonuses to trivialize encounters. I lost 12 hours to this game until I realized this.

The game is beatable on Madness 0 with no perks and the starting characters. It's not easy but it's definitely doable.

it is also possible to beat Knight Artorias blindfolded using a piano to control the game without getting hit. But I have realistic expectations of what most players can do.

[Syncourt]

Originally posted by Shotagonist:

Originally posted by dan.w:

The game is beatable on Madness 0 with no perks and the starting characters. It's not easy but it's definitely doable.

it is also possible to beat Knight Artorias blindfolded using a piano to control the game without getting hit. But I have realistic expectations of what most players can do.

Sounds to me like you just needed to git gud. We had barely an idea of what we were doing when we got there, and we still beat him with only 1 hero death at the last moment.

Progression stops pretty early in this. You're doomed if you rely entirely on that. But you wouldn't know that, you threw in the towel after just 12 hours.

[happyclan]

Heiner is the only 100% tank character. He's a must if you're going to innovate in the rear ranks.

Am I missing something about the others that make them tanky?

[el Darkness]

Actually every warrior except Grukli can be a tank. Well, I don't know about Yogger yet...
Magnus can tank just as well as Heiner, maybe better because he will actually go before enemies so he does not require Fortify so often. Bree on the other hand can use skills to similar effect, she can tank with casting Vitality on the team (and block).

[Hyde]

Originally posted by KJ (雲飛):

Follow the guide for internet, the game dev take wrong medicine? Why we new player have to fight a ridiculous boss DT-800 to unlock Heiner now? There just two golem for previous player to unlock.
I can accept challenge. But Set a huge difficuly to prevent we new player? Many guides recommend Heiner,But I cant get this character even if I tried many times. Worst game to waste my time and money

just do it on madness 0
Magnus - Tanky boi gets tanky cards aim for barricades if possible, avoid having many attacks in your deck as you can rely on your 2 dps to handle that part of it
Andrin - max slice in deck with upgrade for mark, focus on stacking mark and then eliminating whatever enemy has the mark so you can quickly lower numbers
Reginald - get some "Flash" and upgrade them to cost 0, get a couple holy storm upgraded to give you bless, have 1 YY bolt, a couple golden healing rain so you can shrink your deck, a holy smite or 2 and upgrade them to cost 3 later in the run
Ottis - just put shields on your team and it'll also heal, get some healing rain upgraded to yellow and some dispels. Prayer of Protection is your friend.
There you go. Easy win against the boss. Ottis you likely already have, if not he is literally the best character so you have no reason to complain about not having Heiner if you didn't go get Ottis first.

[Shotagonist]

Originally posted by Syncourt:

Originally posted by Shotagonist:

it is also possible to beat Knight Artorias blindfolded using a piano to control the game without getting hit. But I have realistic expectations of what most players can do.

Sounds to me like you just needed to git gud. We had barely an idea of what we were doing when we got there, and we still beat him with only 1 hero death at the last moment.

Progression stops pretty early in this. You're doomed if you rely entirely on that. But you wouldn't know that, you threw in the towel after just 12 hours. :buzzed:

This is the exact kind of elitist garbage I expected from this community <3 Thanks for reaffirming my idea to stop wasting my time on this game and its players

[Zeddy]

Originally posted by Shotagonist:

This is the exact kind of elitist garbage I expected from this community <3 Thanks for reaffirming my idea to stop wasting my time on this game and its players

Steam forums just be like that.

I'm sure lots of builds can work, but for beating the dwarf on madness 0 I recommend a poison build, both because poison damage ingores shields and because 3/4 classes have cards that scale their damage based on how poisoned the enemy is.

[el Darkness]

Originally posted by Shotagonist:

this game is build around stacking metaprogression and not so much smart play so you are basically forced to run into a brick wall until you stacked enough bonuses to trivialize encounters. I lost 12 hours to this game until I realized this.

This statement is just not true. This game is all about smart deckbuilding and controlling your deck.

Originally posted by Shotagonist:

This is the exact kind of elitist garbage I expected from this community <3 Thanks for reaffirming my idea to stop wasting my time on this game and its players

Perhaps you just need to watch some guide? I can recommend DeckerTech, he makes amazing guide on Youtube. I am not skilled in this kind of games, but thanks to him I can (on Madness2) kill Twins in 1st round or kill Lord Hanshek before he kills my pets (sometimes).

Just please do not spread false information, while grind (permanent bonuses) is usefull in this game (actually VERY usefull) but it is mainly about building your team, decks and items during a run.