Is the game really as bad as the reviews make it out to be?

[Kevfactor]

I like roguedeck builders and don't expect STS. It's just STS only has 4 classes and 4 acts. The asentions get a bit dull too. Like as long as this game is at least on Wildfrost or Breach the Void level, i think it'd be decent. I would expect most of the MP to be dead in the game too. Even so, as long as it's decently made and you don't just spam out cards, it looks like it has alot of stuff going on :)

[sand]

the base game is very good with a lot of depth. you get to plan out team comps (16 different heroes to choose from), your deck and which route you want to take during that run. it's really fun. the only con I would say are that runs are pretty long.

also, the lfg section on the discord is constantly having people group up so that's a nice bonus when it comes to mp

[Coal Diem]

It is a lovely roguedeck builder and it has a story mode (with 4 acts that you can decide what some of the acts are as you play), a roguelike mode, and a weekly challenges mode, they has 4 categories of classes (basically what cards you get to add to the deck depends on your category and the 2 recent DLC characters are the only ones to have more than 1 category of cards to grab from) but each hero can take advantage of certain cards in thier category more than other characters. It is likely most review complaints of recent are due to peoples complaints where the DLC adds a new area and 2 new heroes (the multi category characters I was referring to earlier) but they put the price of that at $20 (which the game without sale is normally 20) which was a big concern when everyone in the game needed the DLC to play the DLC but in the past few days they removed the restriction of everyone needed the DLCs to play in the DLC areas, only one player needed it and it only stopped you from playing the DLC heroes without the DLC.

[GeminiEclipse]

Base game is good. DLC is overpriced.

[Wolf Lord Archon]

Originally posted by GeminiEclipse:

Base game is good. DLC is overpriced.

This is pretty much it. Loved playing the base game, lots to do. There are some weird balance issues in the cards themselves but it's a good game. If you just get the base. The developers have a habit of way overcharging for their DLC which is a shame. It's probably being brigaded in protest, which should just be on the DLC page itself, but can't account for people's behaviors.

In short, base game is good, with it on sale I'd even recommend it. Until the dev's get it together though, I'll personally not be supporting any of their dlcs.

[LanceEteryu]

Originally posted by Kevfactor:

I like roguedeck builders and don't expect STS. It's just STS only has 4 classes and 4 acts. The asentions get a bit dull too. Like as long as this game is at least on Wildfrost or Breach the Void level, i think it'd be decent. I would expect most of the MP to be dead in the game too. Even so, as long as it's decently made and you don't just spam out cards, it looks like it has alot of stuff going on :)

Reviews are only tanking because of the devs' recent decision to make the latest DLC the same price as the game for a fraction of the content. It's a great game, just hasn't been making good decisions lately

[Corydonn]

I absolutely adore the game and enjoy doing a few runs a week solo. It does get even better if you are experiencing the game with 1-3 friends and you can always find games in the discord for multiplayer if you don't have any friends interested yourself.

Originally posted by Kevfactor:

Even so, as long as it's decently made and you don't just spam out cards, it looks like it has alot of stuff going on :)

This game has such a skill ceiling to it that I'll sometimes replay the same fight for hours just to be able to win. Always new combos to find and new ways to approach a fight that one of my favorite things to do is actually take "disaster save files" from the community when people are stuck and get through a battle they thought was impossible. I have a feeling you'll love the game if this quote is to say anything!

[DeaderSurvival]

Originally posted by LanceEteryu:

Originally posted by Kevfactor:

I like roguedeck builders and don't expect STS. It's just STS only has 4 classes and 4 acts. The asentions get a bit dull too. Like as long as this game is at least on Wildfrost or Breach the Void level, i think it'd be decent. I would expect most of the MP to be dead in the game too. Even so, as long as it's decently made and you don't just spam out cards, it looks like it has alot of stuff going on :)

Reviews are only tanking because of the devs' recent decision to make the latest DLC the same price as the game for a fraction of the content. It's a great game, just hasn't been making good decisions lately

I don't know, we're at like $50 USD total roughly for everything. That seems great compared to the majority of the market that charges $50 for the base game that has less than this with DLC's and all, and then another $20 for DLCs that still add less, plus another $10 that gives you nothing other than the ability to play the soundtrack on steam, which a lot of people don't even realize is a feature in the first place. Does it make sense for the DLC to be as much as the base game? No. Does it mean the DLC is overpriced? No. It means the base game is underpriced. And that's something people were saying when the game got released, so I know I'm not alone in that statement.

If you don't want the DLC, don't buy the DLC, it's optional content anyway.

[el Darkness]

This game (base game) is dirt cheap, everyone who likes rouguelikes and/or deckbuilders should try it. As for DLC, check base game first, if you love, go for DLC, if you feel base game is just okay, do not bother with DLC, they are expensive.

[LanceEteryu]

Originally posted by DeaderSurvival:

Originally posted by LanceEteryu:

Reviews are only tanking because of the devs' recent decision to make the latest DLC the same price as the game for a fraction of the content. It's a great game, just hasn't been making good decisions lately

I don't know, we're at like $50 USD total roughly for everything. That seems great compared to the majority of the market that charges $50 for the base game that has less than this with DLC's and all, and then another $20 for DLCs that still add less, plus another $10 that gives you nothing other than the ability to play the soundtrack on steam, which a lot of people don't even realize is a feature in the first place. Does it make sense for the DLC to be as much as the base game? No. Does it mean the DLC is overpriced? No. It means the base game is underpriced. And that's something people were saying when the game got released, so I know I'm not alone in that statement.

If you don't want the DLC, don't buy the DLC, it's optional content anyway.

It's more that you're getting a fraction of the content for the same price as the main game. I do agree that the game gives a lot of value for the price it is, but... Doesn't mean it's right to price the DLC the same as the full game. There's games that are much more price gouging, sure. But it's still left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

[DeaderSurvival]

Originally posted by LanceEteryu:

Originally posted by DeaderSurvival:

I don't know, we're at like $50 USD total roughly for everything. That seems great compared to the majority of the market that charges $50 for the base game that has less than this with DLC's and all, and then another $20 for DLCs that still add less, plus another $10 that gives you nothing other than the ability to play the soundtrack on steam, which a lot of people don't even realize is a feature in the first place. Does it make sense for the DLC to be as much as the base game? No. Does it mean the DLC is overpriced? No. It means the base game is underpriced. And that's something people were saying when the game got released, so I know I'm not alone in that statement.

If you don't want the DLC, don't buy the DLC, it's optional content anyway.

It's more that you're getting a fraction of the content for the same price as the main game. I do agree that the game gives a lot of value for the price it is, but... Doesn't mean it's right to price the DLC the same as the full game. There's games that are much more price gouging, sure. But it's still left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

Is it price gouging? If I give you a $100 bill for a $50, two $20's, and a $10, am I ripping you off?

And let's not downplay how many games price gouge. It's literally majority of the market, the fact that with about $50 you can get more than most games will give you $150 is quite literally a breath of fresh air. And that's BEFORE we get into the fact that they're letting only ONE person buy it, as long as everyone has the (underpriced, even according to you) main game, while most games, again, will force EVERYONE in the group to shell out for DLC just to play in the same lobby.

To put it as bluntly as I can, they're giving YOU more than $100 of content for free, AND giving your friends $130 worth, and you're still complaining? And the sad part is, those numbers are probably higher, considering how much AAA's think their company sells products, if we're being honest with each other.

[Gwonbush]

Originally posted by DeaderSurvival:

Originally posted by LanceEteryu:

It's more that you're getting a fraction of the content for the same price as the main game. I do agree that the game gives a lot of value for the price it is, but... Doesn't mean it's right to price the DLC the same as the full game. There's games that are much more price gouging, sure. But it's still left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

Is it price gouging? If I give you a $100 bill for a $50, two $20's, and a $10, am I ripping you off?

And let's not downplay how many games price gouge. It's literally majority of the market, the fact that with about $50 you can get more than most games will give you $150 is quite literally a breath of fresh air. And that's BEFORE we get into the fact that they're letting only ONE person buy it, as long as everyone has the (underpriced, even according to you) main game, while most games, again, will force EVERYONE in the group to shell out for DLC just to play in the same lobby.

To put it as bluntly as I can, they're giving YOU more than $100 of content for free, AND giving your friends $130 worth, and you're still complaining? And the sad part is, those numbers are probably higher, considering how much AAA's think their company sells products, if we're being honest with each other.

Unfortunately for AtO, the competition for it is not AAA developers who price gouge as a matter of course, but the indie dev scene, which is far more consumer-friendly. That's where you find roguelike deckbuilders and where people base their comparative price points around. These games are significantly cheaper than AAA titles and thus even approaching AAA DLC pricing schemes makes many buyers recoil.

[DeaderSurvival]

Originally posted by Gwonbush:

Originally posted by DeaderSurvival:

Is it price gouging? If I give you a $100 bill for a $50, two $20's, and a $10, am I ripping you off?

And let's not downplay how many games price gouge. It's literally majority of the market, the fact that with about $50 you can get more than most games will give you $150 is quite literally a breath of fresh air. And that's BEFORE we get into the fact that they're letting only ONE person buy it, as long as everyone has the (underpriced, even according to you) main game, while most games, again, will force EVERYONE in the group to shell out for DLC just to play in the same lobby.

To put it as bluntly as I can, they're giving YOU more than $100 of content for free, AND giving your friends $130 worth, and you're still complaining? And the sad part is, those numbers are probably higher, considering how much AAA's think their company sells products, if we're being honest with each other.

Unfortunately for AtO, the competition for it is not AAA developers who price gouge as a matter of course, but the indie dev scene, which is far more consumer-friendly. That's where you find roguelike deckbuilders and where people base their comparative price points around. These games are significantly cheaper than AAA titles and thus even approaching AAA DLC pricing schemes makes many buyers recoil.

"Far more consumer friendly" and yet, still plagued by the same issues. While it may not be $50 for less, this game is still well in the "underpriced" camp, considering how much you get for it, even with the DLC's.

[Cloy552]

The game's fantastic, it's just that just about everyone (including me) is mad about the price of the DLCs, and a lot of people are putting not recommended reviews because of that

[Sepidaceous]

The game is good. People are just complaining because they hate DLCs. There's like a die hard community that just review bombs DLC games unless the DLC is basically an entire expansion. I mean I get it.... but you don't have to buy the DLC. It's already a full game.

[LanceEteryu]

Originally posted by Sepidaceous:

The game is good. People are just complaining because they hate DLCs. There's like a die hard community that just review bombs DLC games unless the DLC is basically an entire expansion. I mean I get it.... but you don't have to buy the DLC. It's already a full game.

Nnnnnnno? Have you even been paying attention? it's not because people 'hate DLCs'. People hate the PRICE of the DLC. BIG difference.