Character Unlock File

[Disc-OH!]

I'm 12 hours in and I've gotten 0 character unlocks because runs take forever.
Is there a save file somewhere that just has the characters available to play?

The grind in this game is killing me

[Tsuru]

Runs only take forever cause you are new to the game. This is a crucial part of any roguelike. The "Grind" comes with learning the game at the same time. By removing the grind, your only making it worse for yourself cause you learned nothing of the new stuff along the way.

[Disc-OH!]

I think the problem is there isn't enough to learn.
I'm bored of these characters already.

Let me make something new.

[Ruanek]

I'd agree that there are aspects of the grind that aren't fun, but the character unlocks weren't part of that for me. You can unlock the second of each class with a quest that starts in the first zone, and they're all pretty straight-forward. Ottis can be unlocked entirely within the first zone. Are you having trouble getting past Ylmer?

[Disc-OH!]

I'm on my 3rd run, currently fighting the act 4 twins.

The character unlocks feel like things that won't happen unless I'm using a guide and that's pretty annoying.

The decks I have access to are all pretty much solved until I get access to higher tier perks or unlock new heroes.

[burn1none]

you've done 3 runs and want all 12 characters unlocked. each of the characters have at least two playstyles and you think you have the game solved lol. entitlement is a funny thing, I bet you've never heard the term 'delayed gratification' in your life.

[HAWAIIANpikachu]

Most of the character unlocks are fairly simple, and just require you to move from point A (their location) to point B. Although there are a few characters that request you to get something for them and bring that to you, and you have to figure out where you would get that.

Either way they are fairly simple, as long as you explore additional locations to find and see what everything has. The longest ones are Nezglekt and Bree.

[Ruanek]

As others have said most of the character unlocks are just going from point A to point B, with the game telling you which zones/places you need to go to. A few of them are trickier and benefit from using a guide but you can get more than the starting options pretty easily if you just follow the character icons and accept the quests present in the starting zone.

[Disc-OH!]

Originally posted by burn1none:

each of the characters have at least two playstyles and you think you have the game solved

There's a clear "best" build when you have exactly 4 characters that can't be substituted. You can achieve it reliably by the start of act 3 without perks.

Complexity comes in later in the unlock cycle. I'm not sure why that's so controversial to say.

My complaint isn't that I'm forced to unlock stuff, it's that I've been playing >10 hours without meaningful unlocks. I don't really want to do a 4th run with the exact same solved strategy.

[mdart]

Originally posted by Disc-OH!:

Originally posted by burn1none:

each of the characters have at least two playstyles and you think you have the game solved

There's a clear "best" build when you have exactly 4 characters that can't be substituted. You can achieve it reliably by the start of act 3 without perks.

Complexity comes in later in the unlock cycle. I'm not sure why that's so controversial to say.

My complaint isn't that I'm forced to unlock stuff, it's that I've been playing >10 hours without meaningful unlocks. I don't really want to do a 4th run with the exact same solved strategy.

see this is shocking as in the fist 2 acts you can unlock more then half the characters in the game. like legit ottis as a example is simply go down the bottom path to the church and accept his mission then go to the top book in act 1 and beat the mini boss. grukli hiener malukah zek sylvie and thruls all start in act 1 and have you going to one of the 3 locations in 2.

[Ruanek]

Playing for 10 hours without unlocking any new characters is not the way the game is intended to go, I think. Have you been avoiding the character icons in act 1?

[Disc-OH!]

Originally posted by Ruanek:

Playing for 10 hours without unlocking any new characters is not the way the game is intended to go, I think. Have you been avoiding the character icons in act 1?

I got two character quests started, one was some wizard staff and the other was an old library book. I took a wrong turn on the book quest in act 4, but I'm not sure why the wizard staff quest failed.

There's been a couple other character icons but they asked for moon orbs or random stuff I didn't have.

[Ruanek]

So the four character quests that have icons in the starting zone are very straight forward. If you go to the location that shows a character icon and accept the quest all you have to do is go to another location to complete the quest and unlock the character. It'll show you that same character icon to tell you where to go (and that includes on the act selection screen). Ottis (the pig character) doesn't even need you to leave the starting act.

The wizard staff unlock you're referring to is probably the Cornelius unlock quest, to finish that you need to defeat the cultist boss in the red act.

[HAWAIIANpikachu]

Originally posted by Disc-OH!:

Originally posted by Ruanek:

Playing for 10 hours without unlocking any new characters is not the way the game is intended to go, I think. Have you been avoiding the character icons in act 1?

I got two character quests started, one was some wizard staff and the other was an old library book. I took a wrong turn on the book quest in act 4, but I'm not sure why the wizard staff quest failed.

There's been a couple other character icons but they asked for moon orbs or random stuff I didn't have.

If that was in the same run, going to the other wizard is the opposite way of the wizard staff so the quest failed because you didn't go to that quest. (The Wizard wants a specific staff)

The moon orb you might have seen before if you fought a miniboss.

I would recommend pathing towards other characters to complete them and follow where the quest marker leads.

[burn1none]

Originally posted by Disc-OH!:

Originally posted by burn1none:

each of the characters have at least two playstyles and you think you have the game solved

There's a clear "best" build when you have exactly 4 characters that can't be substituted. You can achieve it reliably by the start of act 3 without perks.

Complexity comes in later in the unlock cycle. I'm not sure why that's so controversial to say.

My complaint isn't that I'm forced to unlock stuff, it's that I've been playing >10 hours without meaningful unlocks. I don't really want to do a 4th run with the exact same solved strategy.

that's where you're wrong. there is not a "clear best build" for the 4 starting characters and if you think that you need to go back to the lab and do some research because you haven't solved a thing. for another point as you rank up each character their hero cards level up and get stronger so there's still a point to playing a character more than once lol

like others have mentioned you'd have to go out of your way to miss some of the character unlocks. they literally put icons on the correct choices for you. you're forced to unlock stuff because that's what games are about. maybe you should just watch 'lets play' videos if you are so determined to not actually play the game

I also think it's funny you clipped my quote because you cant even respond to the second part lmao

[mdart]

Originally posted by burn1none:

Originally posted by Disc-OH!:

There's a clear "best" build when you have exactly 4 characters that can't be substituted. You can achieve it reliably by the start of act 3 without perks.

Complexity comes in later in the unlock cycle. I'm not sure why that's so controversial to say.

My complaint isn't that I'm forced to unlock stuff, it's that I've been playing >10 hours without meaningful unlocks. I don't really want to do a 4th run with the exact same solved strategy.

that's where you're wrong. there is not a "clear best build" for the 4 starting characters and if you think that you need to go back to the lab and do some research

no there kinda is a best build while i would not say its clear there are best builds for example magnus best build is that of a support speed control. while again its not clear it is hinted at with his unique cards and some of the level ups. same with regi is best builds legit resolve around him being a dps healer and not a healer healer. while i do agree for low madness this does not matter as almost if not all builds are good in low madness in the higher madness or speedruning there is a best path to go for every character. hell look at gostuv in high madness and even speedruns his best builds are healing and buffing sylvie.
but if you still dont think so then the videos from a few months ago when rhin challenged people to beat the game from a fresh start meaning nothing was unlocked and all the clears had the same things magnus was more focus on support but did have some attacks. ardine was a melee dps evelyn did evelyn stuff (shes legit the only character in the game that might not have a best build) and regi was a dps healer that focused on bless and sanctify instead of any direct healing cards.