How much time left till this game goes "dead"?

[Natz]

By dead I meant only experts left, you see fighting games is not my comfort zone, I mostly play singleplayer games, but idk I love this game so much somehow :D but still I think my honeymoon phase is over with this game, and I'm still only belong in floor 5, I will play this game from time to time, but Im not sure if I can improve to match the experts at floor 9 and above, I tried it, they always pull moves that feels impossible for me every damn time X(

[Mr.I]

Originally posted by Natz:

the experts at floor 9 and above

Average floor 9 players are... apes. They have no matchup knowledge. They have no game plan. They don't know what they're doing. They always mash when under pressure. They always jump in in neutral. They don't know what plus frame means. They don't know what spacing is. They're no batter than you. They just spent more time than you in mashing buttons. If you spend a little time to learn the theoretic stuffs in fighting games, then you can surpass them very quickly.

Don't worry, this game is far from being dead.

[Vassago Rain]

Ratingupdate keeps detailed stats of the population, including the population of every floor. Strive will be around for a long, long, long time.

[Astrocity]

dawg, im celestial and i dont even think im an expert. this game is chilling. especially with new dlc right around the corner.

[Oku]

People have been asking this question since it came out.

It'll "die" when the next Guilty Gear game comes out enough time has passed that everybody who focuses on the latest title has moved over, and then Strive will persist for decades with a small but dedicated playerbase just big enough to populate the ladder during peak hours.

[gredora]

The game won't truly "die." I'm sure there will still be able still playing Strive once the next game drops in x years. There are people still playing +R to this day despite the game being 10+ years old now.

[Natz]

I see guys thanks, I also saw the news that this game is placed 3 at evo, just behind street fighter and tekken, pretty impressive for an older game

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

Ratingupdate keeps detailed stats of the population, including the population of every floor. Strive will be around for a long, long, long time.

http://ratingupdate.info/stats its this site did you mean?

[Vassago Rain]

Originally posted by Natz:

I see guys thanks, I also saw the news that this game is placed 3 at evo, just behind street fighter and tekken, pretty impressive for an older game

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

Ratingupdate keeps detailed stats of the population, including the population of every floor. Strive will be around for a long, long, long time.

http://ratingupdate.info/stats its this site did you mean?

Yes.

[dash slamson]

dont worry, corpse of that dead on arrival game will sluggishly move around for quite some time still

[Home]

Originally posted by dash slamson:

dont worry, corpse of that dead on arrival game will sluggishly move around for quite some time still

xrd turder mad kek

[Kiyaya]

There haven't been many contenders lately attempting to ape the Anime FG playerbase, and even less so that have had any success. Until the next Guilty Gear comes around, or maybe a new Blazblue or Persona Arena if you are a hopium huffer like me, Strive will retain a very healthy population.

[River]

Originally posted by Mr.I:

Originally posted by Natz:

the experts at floor 9 and above

Average floor 9 players are... apes. They have no matchup knowledge. They have no game plan. They don't know what they're doing. They always mash when under pressure. They always jump in in neutral. They don't know what plus frame means. They don't know what spacing is. They're no batter than you. They just spent more time than you in mashing buttons. If you spend a little time to learn the theoretic stuffs in fighting games, then you can surpass them very quickly.

Don't worry, this game is far from being dead.

Real talk? I'm one of those apes. Mind explaining what... Like, any of that means? It'd be nice to get better, but everything seems to be so jargon-heavy that I can't even begin to understand what they're talking about.

[Mr.I]

Originally posted by Nargacuga:

Originally posted by Mr.I:

Average floor 9 players are... apes. They have no matchup knowledge. They have no game plan. They don't know what they're doing. They always mash when under pressure. They always jump in in neutral. They don't know what plus frame means. They don't know what spacing is. They're no batter than you. They just spent more time than you in mashing buttons. If you spend a little time to learn the theoretic stuffs in fighting games, then you can surpass them very quickly.

Don't worry, this game is far from being dead.

Real talk? I'm one of those apes. Mind explaining what... Like, any of that means? It'd be nice to get better, but everything seems to be so jargon-heavy that I can't even begin to understand what they're talking about.

Explaining all of these in detail would be too lengthy, I'll just pick an example and link a few videos here.

The most educational thing that comes into my mind is Leo's 236H (cross up)[www.dustloop.com]. When Leo successfully cross up with this move, he enters backturn stance. Because backturn Leo is so hard to block and so scary, people on floor 9 don't want to block against it. But that's what get them killed because they don't know "Leo IS PLUS". Being plus means after doing something, one recovers from that move a few frames earlier than their opponent. If Leo whiffs a 236H after 2D or heavy DP's hard knockdown, HE IS PLUS. He will be able to start his next attack earlier than you, so if you press a button after wake up, you will lose. This is also the case when you block the cross up, because Leo is still plus after that. You can beat him with a invincible reversal. But again, Leo is plus, he's the one who chooses what to do next not you, he has the initiative. But floor 9 players don't know that, they mash buttons.

So, I just explained some of my points with that example:

Matchup Knowledge:

You need to know what your opponent's doing and you need to know what your opponent wants to do. You also need to know your opponent's frame data so you can know when to challenge and when to block.

Gameplan:

You need to know what's the best thing to do to achieve victory and you need to actively assess the situation and change your plan accordingly. In this Leo's example, Leo players always want to enter backturn stance to pressure you because that's their win condition.

Plus Frame:

As stated above, being plus means one can recover earlier than their opponent so they can perform the next move earlier. And the opposite of being plus is "being minus" which means one recover later than their opponent which means they're at a disadvantage.

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Some related videos:

Neutral:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-3MhEetTws

Have a plan and be patient:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjVC1Y_TPCk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwPDeafGgPA

The anti-ape gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3leESA5UQ8

[Knowsome]

when arcsys releases the next guilty gear

[River]

Originally posted by Mr.I:

Explaining all of these in detail would be too lengthy, I'll just pick an example and link a few videos here.

Thanks for the information and the videos. That's definitely more detail than I've gotten from basically anyone so far, so hopefully that'll be enough to give me a foundation to begin to understand things.

[Natz]

Originally posted by Mr.I:

Explaining all of these in detail would be too lengthy, I'll just pick an example and link a few videos here.

Which one is the most important to watch first? Im kinda overwhelmed watching these kind of videos, but I really want to learn