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But also, just so we're clear here, let's refresh everyone's memories on one little thing:
Chuds after Testament comes out as non-binary:
"No, Testament is still a guy because the glossary entries in the game for the English translation still use he/him pronouns. No, we don't care if the devs themselves have confirmed on streams that Testament is non-binary, we're following the rule of law that is the English translation which was written before Testament was announced as NB (so the translators just assumed Testament was still a guy, used masculine pronouns, and just haven't updated the entry)."
The same chuds after Bridget comes out as trans:
"No, Bridget is still a guy because some of the endings just heavily imply her issues with her gender identity, instead of having her flat-out say "I'm a girl". Also, we're completely ditching the whole "the English translation of the glossary is law" thing, because that thing has been using she/her pronouns for Bridget since the game's come out, and that's devastating to our case. Instead, we'll grasp at any straws which allow us to pretend that this is just the translation team going rogue and making stuff up, because that makes sense."
Because it's not like if the translators started making stuff up about the characters without the original creators' consent they'd get the pants sued out of them. And then Arcsys would just employ another translation team to actually do the job they were being paid to do, so this whole "this is the translators trying to push an agenda" nonsense only makes sense to the terminally brain-rotten.
Anyway, here's a picture of Daisuke saying trans rights:
https://twitter.com/sharkpartyqq/status/1196155342117146624
Plus it wouldnt be the first time Westerners jumped the gun and assumed a character is trans, Tumblr and Twitter tried the same thing ages ago with Persona 4's Naoto Shirogane. Plus the discussion here is mostly civilized and nobody is insulting each other so why do you have a problem with it? You just came crashing in calling everyone chuds without reason.
But also, just so we're clear here, let's refresh everyone's memories on one little thing:
The devs are not native English speakers, they have no clue about the political baggage that comes with the term "non-binary", the localizers took advantage of this by using non-binary instead of a term like a-sexual or a-gender, or genderless, all terms that have no political baggage, but no, the localization dupped them into saying "non-binary".
It 100% is because translators started making stuff up, but it might not be intentionally hostile this time, Japan has a different concept of gender than we current do in the west, and the concepts don't translate well in our bifurcated lexicon.
This is not a transrights issue, Daisuke can support trans individuals while at the same time, not have retconned Bridget. Daisuke doesn't suddenly become anti-trans just because Bridget is factually a male character who identifies as masculine while cross dressing.
You know, you can try to find ever more flimsy excuses to headcanon that Bridget isn't trans as you want. All it changes is how it makes you look even more silly and stubborn to everyone else.
i think that's the most common sense reaction you can possibly have instead of spouting slurs or getting giddy on the bird app
but i won't lie when i say it feels.... hamfisted, like I'm no writer but i feel like if we want bridgets new ark to focus more on his or her gender then i feel like 1 plotline in one game won't do it, plus there is the general confusion about the endings and how you get this outcome on the lowest difficulty setting? or don't? already im confused on this front.
Personally as i said previously somewhere else, daiuske really needs to come out of his cave and give some clarification, since there seems to be general confusion over this and two groups are having a slapfight on who is the smug smart ass of the month
try google translate help yourself
この際、英語版ではブリジットがトランスジェンダーのアイデンティティを持つ女性として描かれた
These fall into the misconceptions cisgender people have about real trans people, in real life. Because trans representation in media is so lackluster and, especially in the Anglosphere, things are in general portrayed in a very "black and white" and based in ultra strict definitions, lots of people have this impression that, i.e., being a femboy or being a trans woman are completely incompatible things. That the idea that a trans woman might have a reason to want to prove her masculinity is absolute nonsense, even in a questioning period or even if there are other practical reasons for it.
Reality is waaay more muddy than that. Some non-binary people consider themselves transgender, others don't, others yet don't identify themselves as trans but still consider that non-binary gender identities fall under the trans umbrella anyway. Just to give one example of how the separations between all these things are very, very blurry.
More than anything, being trans is a lot more about being open to questioning one's gender identity and to experimenting with it, than it is about i.e. "the definition of man / woman". Bridget's story resonated with a lot of trans people exactly because there's an obvious component of "peeling away the layers" with her. First she was raised as a girl despite being male (which in her current theme song now she says she didn't hate, but also didn't like!), then she leaves to prove her village wrong, and she goes hard on asserting she's really a boy until she is successful at her goal, and now, it turns out that despite her monumental achievements, she still doesn't feel happy with herself.
In the arcade mode and her song's lyrics, she talks about a lack of confidence despite all of this, of having an idea of what's actually "it", but still being unsure if she's right, of lacking strength, of worrying that her achievements may be undermined by "it", parallels with Ky and his gear powers, and what this means for his identity. This is all extremely relatable to trans people everywhere.
Conversely, I've never seen a trans man consider Bridget an example of transmasculine representation, even back then. There's just not much to relate with a person that was born male in the first place. There's this pervasive myth that trans people usually know of their gender identity since very early in life, but that's really just a myth. It came from early simplistic conceptions where queer people are "born this way", that was necessary to be pushed just to be heard in good faith even a little bit many decades ago. And considering that people at the time thought queer people were "faking it for attention", it was still closer to the truth than most people's perception back then. Today these ideas are mostly thought of to be very transmedicalistic.
tl;dr: The fact that Bridget's transition wasn't simple and unidirectional is more true to real transitions, and thus more relatable, than pretty much any other representation you can find on media today.
I see you didn't actually bother reading anything lol. Testament never canonically had any change to their identity, either. So there isn't any sort of precedent for any "coming out". This just feels like cope.
That'd be great evidence if at the very least it was the japanese VA. The english one's opinion is as worthwhile as anyone else's.
VA's are not writers, they're actors who post nonsense on social media to chase clout.
Look, that's an interpretation of things. Human Psyche is not something easy to understand. All of these notions are very subjective, they vary with time, culture, etc. My country has a saying: "nobody owns the truth", and it applies to contexts like those completely. There isn't a very good way to measure which takes are the "most" correct. Everyone has different experiences and they change how each person perceives the world.
As for the lyrics, the dialogue and themes of the arc. There might be some confirmation bias in effect. If you already have the conclusion that Bridget is trans, it's easy to specifically notice and highlight things that are related to this conclusion. Realistically, you could pick any character's arcade story, their song's lyrics, etc, and interpret it as them coming out as transgender. The more vague, the more open to analysis they are. And given how the stories in this game feature a heavy emphasis on self-discovery, it's easy for someone who's trans or who's had a similar life-changing discovery about themselves to relate to them, even if the person's own discovery is much different than the character's.
I'm not implying that it would be ridiculous to interpret any or every character's arc to be a sort of gender transition. Nobody owns the truth, and everyone's personal exploration of the in-game themes can be true for themselves while not resonating with others. All one can do is discuss them and try to get into a consensus. The author could be said to have the most authority on the debate, but not even their own intent while writing a story is able to completely deny the merit and validity an individual's personal interpretation of it.
It would make sense then that the one where you lose repeatedly probably wouldn’t be canon.
Speaking of arcade routes, why did they not create actual cutscenes like they did in Xrd? Those are far more rewarding than these in-game style discussions. Xrd’s story mode was also movie-like so that’s not a good reason. I suppose because of all the extra paths you can go. Even still, taking away arcade ending cutscenes was a bad call imo.
I'm only gonna touch on the lose repeatedly one. You automatically get on the hard route if you lose a single round after the first match. You could beat everyone else but having that single round automatically locks you into that ending.
I spent friday evening trying to figure out how to get the third route. When I was facing against faust I kept letting him make things weird but it didn't work. When I went back and threw the first round of the first match, I was locked into normal route.
Most people if they're playing the arcade route will probably lose one or two rounds throughout the game. That seems to be the logic in the ending progression. So they expect 90% of people will lost one round after the first match and thus see that ending.
As for the cutscenes thing, well GGS kind of just dumps an entire story on you in the story mode. So you can simply press play, sit back, relax, and enjoy the lore.