GUILTY GEAR -STRIVE-

GUILTY GEAR -STRIVE-

View Stats:
This topic has been locked
So is bridget trans or not?
Possibly spoiler warning so read on at your own risk


It's very confusing. I have not played Bridget yet, but apparently the bad ending shows them becoming a girl, and conforming to the identity that was forced on them.
Yet in the good ending they remain male and say "I will not change no matter what."?
The lack of pronouns on the official page means their gender could go either way based on the good or bad ending?
So what gives? Is Bridget trans or both and none?

Please be civil and don't just attack me for asking a question like the twitter folk do
< >
Showing 166-180 of 378 comments
Providence 777 Aug 11, 2022 @ 8:34pm 
Originally posted by Drunk Shimakaze:
Originally posted by Providence 777:
I'm happy for him too actually, I'm glad he's back.
I'd ask you to please respect her pronouns but I feel like I would get into yet another argument and have to restate a lot of things like "No that's literally misinformation and here's why" and honestly? I am not that invested in arguing right now.

All the best!
Yeah you're not respecting his pronouns at all, he spends the whole series correcting people to remind them that he's a boy, and does so in this game too.
cinless Aug 11, 2022 @ 8:35pm 
Originally posted by Providence 777:
It would be better to sample Japanese social media rather than just asking a few friends for their opinions.

Sure but that's not what you said. You said nobody agreed with that position, not that you had a good sample size of people who disagree with the position.
One implies that there is no ambiguity at all, and frankly misrepresents the truth to make your argument look better. The other makes it clear that not all Japanese people agree with your position (which was a ridiculous appeal to authority in the first place).
Drunk Shimakaze Aug 11, 2022 @ 8:38pm 
Originally posted by Providence 777:
Originally posted by Drunk Shimakaze:
I'd ask you to please respect her pronouns but I feel like I would get into yet another argument and have to restate a lot of things like "No that's literally misinformation and here's why" and honestly? I am not that invested in arguing right now.

All the best!
Yeah you're not respecting his pronouns at all, he spends the whole series correcting people to remind them that he's a boy, and does so in this game too.
And she says quite clearly "I'm a girl" Please do not try this.
Preemptively: She was happy to say that.
She wasn't just trying to get them to stop.
She wasn't being sarcastic.
There is no bad end.
Her dialogue is clear across the stories she's worried about coming out to people around her.
Her entire character arc is quite clear.
You're arguing in bad faith.

Trying to pick a fight isn't gonna work. I don't care to fight. But I do mean it when I say I hope you have a nice night!
k-ricks Aug 11, 2022 @ 8:46pm 
"I'm a girl" only happen if you lose a heart he doubt himself and abandon what he has fight for to show who he is and who he isn't
so yeah it is a bad end if he become what he said he wasn't
yeah His entire character arc is quite clear.
Providence 777 Aug 11, 2022 @ 8:48pm 
Originally posted by cinless:
Sure but that's not what you said. You said nobody agreed with that position,
FALSE

I did not say that at all.
Originally posted by Providence 777:
Ok, why does nearly 100% of Japanese social media experience zero confusion in recognizing that Bridget is a guy in Strive?
^ Behold:

Originally posted by cinless:
The other makes it clear that not all Japanese people agree with your position (which was a ridiculous appeal to authority in the first place).
You mean exactly like how I said it in the first place?

Originally posted by cinless:
One implies that there is no ambiguity at all, and frankly misrepresents the truth to make your argument look better.
The irony of you using accusing me of misrepresenting the truth after inventing FALSE quotes and attributing them to me.

I told you to CHILL and read before replying, seriously you need to relax so you can stop making mistakes like this.
Providence 777 Aug 11, 2022 @ 8:51pm 
Originally posted by Drunk Shimakaze:
Originally posted by Providence 777:
Yeah you're not respecting his pronouns at all, he spends the whole series correcting people to remind them that he's a boy, and does so in this game too.
And she says quite clearly "I'm a girl" Please do not try this.
Preemptively: She was happy to say that.
She wasn't just trying to get them to stop.
She wasn't being sarcastic.
There is no bad end.
Her dialogue is clear across the stories she's worried about coming out to people around her.
Her entire character arc is quite clear.
You're arguing in bad faith.

Trying to pick a fight isn't gonna work. I don't care to fight. But I do mean it when I say I hope you have a nice night!
The only way to "argue in good faith" in your eyes would be for me to simply agree with you, right?

Unfortunately I don't, because the facts are not in your favor. I initially agreed that this change was consistent between translations until actual translators showed me that I was incorrect in thinking this by showing me the evidence and explaining the nuances of Japanese, facts are what swayed me, I originally agreed that the Japanese version changed his gender too. I no longer believe that because of the evidence that was presented.
Anxiety.exe Aug 11, 2022 @ 8:53pm 
Originally posted by k-ricks:
"I'm a girl" only happen if you lose a heart he doubt himself and abandon what he has fight for to show who he is and who he isn't
so yeah it is a bad end if he become what he said he wasn't
yeah His entire character arc is quite clear.

Dawg that wouldn't be a character arc that would be two parents raising a baby in a wierd-ass town and them NEVER CHANGING after they left the town. That isn't an arc it's an angle. Even Sol lost some of his power, Chipp became a president, a whole bunch of ♥♥♥♥ happens that people DON'T throw a fit over.

But I don't see anyone being like "Chipp is a ninja! He wouldn't be cut out to be a president, much less would he want to be!" but it is what it is.
Providence 777 Aug 11, 2022 @ 8:58pm 
Originally posted by Anxiety.exe:
Originally posted by k-ricks:
"I'm a girl" only happen if you lose a heart he doubt himself and abandon what he has fight for to show who he is and who he isn't
so yeah it is a bad end if he become what he said he wasn't
yeah His entire character arc is quite clear.

Dawg that wouldn't be a character arc that would be two parents raising a baby in a wierd-ass town and them NEVER CHANGING after they left the town. That isn't an arc it's an angle. Even Sol lost some of his power, Chipp became a president, a whole bunch of ♥♥♥♥ happens that people DON'T throw a fit over.

But I don't see anyone being like "Chipp is a ninja! He wouldn't be cut out to be a president, much less would he want to be!" but it is what it is.
The arc is that they're getting older, it will become more apparent that they're not a girl, and they're afraid to face their village and confront their backwards beliefs, he needs the courage to do it, he's been running away from it all this time.
cinless Aug 11, 2022 @ 9:02pm 
Originally posted by Providence 777:
I don't believe you, because when you examine the posts from Japanese social media, they're calling him a guy still, the only confusion they seem to have is why westerners are debating it.

I was reacting to this. Good job highlighting your own inconsistency though, I hadn't even noticed that.
Klowers Aug 11, 2022 @ 9:05pm 
Originally posted by Providence 777:
Originally posted by Anxiety.exe:

Dawg that wouldn't be a character arc that would be two parents raising a baby in a wierd-ass town and them NEVER CHANGING after they left the town. That isn't an arc it's an angle. Even Sol lost some of his power, Chipp became a president, a whole bunch of ♥♥♥♥ happens that people DON'T throw a fit over.

But I don't see anyone being like "Chipp is a ninja! He wouldn't be cut out to be a president, much less would he want to be!" but it is what it is.
The arc is that they're getting older, it will become more apparent that they're not a girl, and they're afraid to face their village and confront their backwards beliefs, he needs the courage to do it, he's been running away from it all this time.

???
"Although unsuccessful in capturing Dizzy for her bounty, Bridget showed talent as a bounty hunter and managed to bring home great wealth. This led to the village superstition fading, but it also left Bridget without a goal."

They already know, man.
AsianGirlLover Aug 11, 2022 @ 9:06pm 
Originally posted by Providence 777:
Originally posted by Drunk Shimakaze:
I'd ask you to please respect her pronouns but I feel like I would get into yet another argument and have to restate a lot of things like "No that's literally misinformation and here's why" and honestly? I am not that invested in arguing right now.

All the best!
Yeah you're not respecting his pronouns at all, he spends the whole series correcting people to remind them that he's a boy, and does so in this game too.
Sauce for those who want it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_2okTVaQB8
Providence 777 Aug 11, 2022 @ 9:10pm 
Originally posted by cinless:
Originally posted by Providence 777:
I don't believe you, because when you examine the posts from Japanese social media, they're calling him a guy still, the only confusion they seem to have is why westerners are debating it.

I was reacting to this. Good job highlighting your own inconsistency though, I hadn't even noticed that.
There was nothing inconsistent, I established that it was not the entirety of Japan or the entirety of Japanese social media, any further posts are to be read in that very same context that I understood it was NOT 100% of people who thought the same.

This is exactly what you guys are being criticized for, not understanding context.

If I tell you they have a ton of watermelons at the supermarket.
then you ask me which supermarket they're at.

If I reply: "Oh the watermelons are at the Nothern supermarket"

Would it be reasonable for you to assume that the above statement means "all watermelons that exist are contained within that supermarket"? or would it be more reasonable to carry the context of the PRIOR statement to inform the next one?

Seriously, stop trying to save face, I'm trying SO hard to communicate with you, but you're not making half the effort here at all.
Sogeking Aug 11, 2022 @ 9:12pm 
Originally posted by Leriko:
Originally posted by cinless:
I don't mean to diminish your abilities by calling you an amateur, but I remain more confident in the ability of the professional trusted to work on the studio's flagship game than in yours.
Fair enough, but as an amateur translator, it is quite obvious to me they're wrong here.
Originally posted by Anxiety.exe:
also it should be taken into account that every bio is written before the game starts. Like it doesn't talk about what IS going on, it talks about what HAS gone on. So that puts us back to square 1
If it is written for before the game starts, then why in all hell does the English refer to Bridget as a "she" throughout the whole thing if coming out as trans is "meant to be" his character story in his DLC and is the finale? Doesn't make sense.
Originally posted by RadioactiveMicrobe:
If you go back on their post history they tried to pull the exact same baseless "argument" with Testament until the Japanese team specifically said they're NB. (Their posts about it suddenly stopped) There's no reasoning with them they refuse to believe trans people exist
???
Me? I never wrote anything on the Testament thing. Uhh, care to explain what kind of crack you're smoking?

If you right-click on the game settings through Steam (before launching), you can change the language to Japanese. The GG World entries for Bridget still refer to the character as a boy and Bridget's gender isn't referenced in the "likes" section. It's also worth mentioning that the original Japanese for Testament's entries refer to him as "青年" (young man) and "義理の息子" ([Cliff's] son-in-law). The localizers changed this in the most recent English patch to conform to the whole "Testament is non-binary now" thing, but they missed a handful of entries that still reference his gender. The Japanese version didn't change the gender of Testament or Bridget, and GG World still refers to them as male.
Last edited by Sogeking; Aug 11, 2022 @ 9:20pm
cinless Aug 11, 2022 @ 9:19pm 
Originally posted by Providence 777:
Seriously, stop trying to save face, I'm trying SO hard to communicate with you, but you're not making half the effort here at all.

I am perfect, the only reason I'd have for trying to save face is if I cared what you thought about me.
But you say one thing and mean something else, then reveal yourself when you trip over your words. I don't think you're arguing in good faith, you just want to win, as evidenced by how desperately you quibble over inconsequential details, there's no point talking to you.
Providence 777 Aug 11, 2022 @ 9:27pm 
Originally posted by cinless:
I am perfect, the only reason I'd have for trying to save face is if I cared what you thought about me.
No, you care about not looking foolish infront of others, you don't care about my opinion of you (nor should you) because you already understand that I know what I said and what I didn't say, so there's no fooling me about what I've said, this is about how you look to others who are reading the argument.

Originally posted by cinless:
But you say one thing and mean something else, then reveal yourself when you trip over your words. I don't think you're arguing in good faith, you just want to win, as evidenced by how desperately you quibble over inconsequential details, there's no point talking to you.
The problem is that none of my statements contradict each other, they don't have different meanings, I used more generalized language in my following post for brevity since I already establish specifics and clarity in my previous post, and also I never expected anyone to be so daft as to assume a person would intentionally make a false generalization claiming anything was 100% of something.

What I hate most about these kinds of discussions, it's not possible for me to demonstrate to you that I'm serious about communicating ideas here, you've decided in your head that I'm worthless to talk to and have bad intentions, and there's nothing that I can do to change that impression, nearly all of my replies are spent trying to clear up a misunderstanding, and you don't care, you don't want to understand what I meant, you want me to be wrong, and I can't fix the misunderstanding because you don't want it fixed.
Last edited by Providence 777; Aug 11, 2022 @ 9:32pm
< >
Showing 166-180 of 378 comments
Per page: 1530 50

Date Posted: Aug 9, 2022 @ 3:39pm
Posts: 378