I-No's censorship

[Sephilar]

Seriously, what's even the point of that win pose anymore with the way she looks now? They could have just done another win pose instead that made sense at the very least, not this.

And before people try to argue with "this game is not to see tiddies", no, GG never even had nipples in the first place so that's beside the point. Her win pose was just one of many ways the game had to show I-no as a character with a taunting and sadistic personality, there was never any meaning behind it other than that. If you wanted to fap to that go ahead, but that was never nor intended to be fanservice, and the character herself wasn't either unlike others like Elphelt and Ramlethal (and I don't understand why they felt they had to censor a character like I-No but not Ramlethal, but whatever...)

With that being said, thanks for reading and I look forward to see what other people have to comment regarding this.

[evgenij1]

Mr.Cipher a écrit :

So I-No showing more skin than before is removal of fanservice.
As a matter of fact, all the females have been more sexualized than before.
Hell half the guys have been made more sexy as a matter of fact.

So, uhm, ah, uhm, ah, muh invisible boabs?

More than before? Have you seen these animations?
https://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters2/ino-a.html

[Ω Yukich]

Eeeeeew, old I-no, Boomer alert
BOOMER ALERT
Thats Heavy

[moulala2]

Mr.Cipher a écrit :

evgenij1 a écrit :

The devs told in their interview that the reason for fanservice reduction is because of 3rd parties, not because of some redesign. Changes to hair & other stuff you listed have nothing to do with removing fanservice.

So I-No showing more skin than before is removal of fanservice.
As a matter of fact, all the females have been more sexualized than before.
Hell half the guys have been made more sexy as a matter of fact.

So, uhm, ah, uhm, ah, muh invisible boabs?

I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this, but I-no showing her midriff with some mild cleavage (it's far less in game than in her portrait before anyone disputes that description) is far less explicit than when she had the entire bottom of her tits out and flashed panties on half of her animations, even if the exact inches of exposed skin is greater now. Ram having thiccer thighs or Millia having wider hips is also less explicit then the underboob and panty shots they lost respectively, even if you personally find that hotter.

[evgenij1]

I like how two censorship supporters above contradict each other:

"She finally got new design - less pervy"
"As a matter of fact, all the females have been more sexualized than before."

[Cipher Esteria]

evgenij1 a écrit :

More than before? Have you seen these animations?
https://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters2/ino-a.html

I have seen I-Nos old animations.
If you now want to indicate new animations are Censoreship, you will hate to know that the entire cast has been censored heavly.

Outside of that, the new outfit doesn't allow for that.
I-No had no underwear under her old one, for the new one she does, she also has now a coat instead of just her old top.
So unless I-No turns into a Yakuza Character and takes lessons by Kiryu Kazuma how to remove 5 layers of clothes at once, removing the Top for the Winpose makes 0 sense.

[Ω Yukich]

Im not defending censorship, Im just throwing some facts about I-no's story of development throughtout the years
But you cant just keep fighting over the boobs while the real deal is Potemkin's armpits

[Cipher Esteria]

moulala2 a écrit :

I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this, but I-no showing her midriff with some mild cleavage (it's far less in game than in her portrait before anyone disputes that description) is far less explicit than when she had the entire bottom of her tits out and flashed panties on half of her animations, even if the exact inches of exposed skin is greater now. Ram having thiccer thighs or Millia having wider hips is also less explicit then the underboob and panty shots they lost respectively, even if you personally find that hotter.

Having a different outfit will have other results on the same animations. But then again, we arrive at the point that redesigns are censoreship...... sooooo the entire cast.
Ram didn't lose anything, she still wears the same hotpants as before. She lost a couple of belts.
Millia also had Leggins since Xrd, if you want to talk about pantyshots, they didn't really were there after AC+R.

I repeat again, that redesigns are not Censoreship, otherwise the entire Xrd Cast would have been censored.

[evgenij1]

Mr.Cipher a écrit :

evgenij1 a écrit :

More than before? Have you seen these animations?
https://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters2/ino-a.html

I have seen I-Nos old animations.
If you now want to indicate new animations are Censoreship, you will hate to know that the entire cast has been censored heavly.

Outside of that, the new outfit doesn't allow for that.
I-No had no underwear under her old one, for the new one she does, she also has now a coat instead of just her old top.
So unless I-No turns into a Yakuza Character and takes lessons by Kiryu Kazuma how to remove 5 layers of clothes at once, removing the Top for the Winpose makes 0 sense.

She literally has a magical clothes that can change their shape. Like for example her hat that expands to ridiculous size. Another example of this is Dizzy - she transforms her entire outfit before the battle begins. So this whole realism excuse is pure bs.

[Ω Yukich]

100th post
We did it bois
The fight for boobs will never end!

[Powerful Pygmy]

Mr.Cipher a écrit :

Sooooo, getting back to my original question way back in the beginning.
Since when are Redesigns Censoreship?
If we talk about changes in the design that makes the character not the character anymore, then why is Ky not censored? His long hair was always a central part of his design. He got a whole Theme for having his hair ruined.
How is May not censored, now that she actually looks like she is 22 instead of only being 22 on paper.
Why did they censore Sols Dragon Install out of the game?
Why did they force Potemkin to wear a shirt?

I demand answers!

i have answers for your bad faith arguments chief, Ky had short hair in all the pre-XRD games, may's redesign traded naked arms for naked legs, im sure that rustled the jimmies of someone somewhere, dragon install mode not being in the game is another class ASW blunder where they remove "fun" character moves, who knows maybe it will be in day 1 patch, Potemkin redesign is a lore change, previous a slave and now a military official, some people maybe consider it a bad redesign and possible censorship due to covering his chest, but there's a lore reason to it so eh maybe?

Now outside your bad faith takes, redesigns aren't inherently censorship, but as explained many times in the thread, I-No's redesign was designed for "esport standards/EVO's Core Values™" thus making it a censorship effort to rebrand/redesign her model as to be not so risqué, the character is still very I-no but the design does match the personality IMO.

[evgenij1]

Mr.Cipher a écrit :

I repeat again, that redesigns are not Censoreship, otherwise the entire Xrd Cast would have been censored.

So, are you going to just ignore that interview where the devs admit that they removed fanservice purely to appease 3rd parties that want censorship? If guilty gear devs themselves cannot convince you about the reasoning behind fanservice changes, then I don't know who will.

[moulala2]

Mr.Cipher a écrit :

moulala2 a écrit :

I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this, but I-no showing her midriff with some mild cleavage (it's far less in game than in her portrait before anyone disputes that description) is far less explicit than when she had the entire bottom of her tits out and flashed panties on half of her animations, even if the exact inches of exposed skin is greater now. Ram having thiccer thighs or Millia having wider hips is also less explicit then the underboob and panty shots they lost respectively, even if you personally find that hotter.

Having a different outfit will have other results on the same animations. But then again, we arrive at the point that redesigns are censoreship...... sooooo the entire cast.
Ram didn't lose anything, she still wears the same hotpants as before. She lost a couple of belts.
Millia also had Leggins since Xrd, if you want to talk about pantyshots, they didn't really were there after AC+R.

I repeat again, that redesigns are not Censoreship, otherwise the entire Xrd Cast would have been censored.

That belt Ram lost was the only thing she wore on her entire upper body, and it only covered half her boobs. Her IK even zoomed in on her unberboob. Now she has a vest with a shirt under it that leaves a small bit of midriff exposed. Yes it's toned down, by quite a bit. And Millia's leggings don't mean that there weren't panty shots, just that they weren't as noticeable as someone like Jam. I'm not going to debate the meaning of the word censorship; as far as I'm concerned, all of the female designs barring May would look different if Arcsys weren't worried about making Strive a big e-sport, and I don't think that's the case for Potemkin or Sol.

I should note that I'm not unhappy with how any of them look, but let's call a spade a spade here. There were absolutely discussions about how much the female characters could expose, and they led to these designs; it's asinine to try and pretend that it's just an artistic choice devoid of any of those considerations.

[Cipher Esteria]

evgenij1 a écrit :

Mr.Cipher a écrit :

I have seen I-Nos old animations.
If you now want to indicate new animations are Censoreship, you will hate to know that the entire cast has been censored heavly.

Outside of that, the new outfit doesn't allow for that.
I-No had no underwear under her old one, for the new one she does, she also has now a coat instead of just her old top.
So unless I-No turns into a Yakuza Character and takes lessons by Kiryu Kazuma how to remove 5 layers of clothes at once, removing the Top for the Winpose makes 0 sense.

She literally has a magical clothes that can change their shape. Like for example her hat that expands to ridiculous size. Another example of this is Dizzy - she transforms her entire outfit before the battle begins. So this whole realism excuse is pure bs.

She can also time travel and failed killing Dizzy and Sol like 5 times.

Her hat is magical, because that thing is actually alive. I think her Guitar was too.
The rest isn't, it's just clothes.

As for Dizzy, Dizzy is literally a walking Planetcracker.
She also has no magic clothes, she can shapeshift, it is a natural ability, something Gears tend to be capable of to a certain degree.
Here let me quote that:
Dizzy has the natural ability to shapeshift her body in numerous ways: from being able to swap outfits at will, to transforming her sleeves or her tail into monstruous mouths, extending her nails into claws, and entirely transforming into a winged demon. Dizzy's "weapons" are her guardians, Necro and Undine; they can attack and defend alternately, morphing into different forms, and are able to act separately from Dizzy herself; however, they generally only attack if Dizzy is in danger.[11] Should Dizzy be knocked unconscious, they are able to take over her body to fight in her stead.[18] They seem to specialize in one attribute of magic each: Fire for Necro's attacks, and Water (in the form of ice) for Undine's.

There is no mention of I-No having any sort of magical clothes outside of her hat.

[evgenij1]

Mr.Cipher a écrit :

There is no mention of I-No having any sort of magical clothes outside of her hat.

If you have ever seen her IK and supers you would know that she can just summon things out of nowhere and remove them into nothingness as if they never existed. Even her normal 6H summons a microphone stand and then remove it into nothingness. Same with her Dust. I see no reason why she cannot do the same with her clothing.

[Cipher Esteria]

evgenij1 a écrit :

So, are you going to just ignore that interview where the devs admit that they removed fanservice purely to appease 3rd parties that want censorship? If guilty gear devs themselves cannot convince you about the reasoning behind fanservice changes, then I don't know who will.

Meanwhile you have Capcom keep the same Fanservicey Costumes, only telling people to change them when broadcasted on american television..... yeah no surprise. That country is scared of boobs, not enough guns and blood.

Capcoms attempts at Censoreship gave them so much ♥♥♥♥ from the community, that they abandonned the idea after Season 1, because it didn't make money.

ASW is smarter than that, there is just a tiny problem with your argument.
The Team that did make GBVS was not Team Red, it was a new Team supervised by Daisuke with some help from Team Red.
The Team is not part of either Team Red nor Blue.
Now back to the pointless topic.
There were multiple redesigns from XX to Xrd, which are, according to you anyway. Censoreship. A new outfit doesn't equal censoreship.
Censoreship is literally putting something into the game or advertaising it and then changing it.
I-No did not get that. She was shown in a new Outfit for a new game and had the equality of Baiken player call it censoreship.
So please provide me with the clear censoreship that has happend here side by side.

moulala2 a écrit :

That belt Ram lost was the only thing she wore on her entire upper body, and it only covered half her boobs. Her IK even zoomed in on her unberboob. Now she has a vest with a shirt under it that leaves a small bit of midriff exposed. Yes it's toned down, by quite a bit.

I never saw the camera angle as a look at the underboob and more a "I look down on you weakling" type angle, the fact that she only had a belt there was just that.
Rams new design also makes sense if you look from Xrds perspective.
Ram in Xrds first half (so SIGN), pretty much only acted like a trained animal, she only did what she was orderd to and had no own opinion.
Until the end of SIGN and beginning of Xrd that changed, with Elphelt gone she actually started to open up and act more like a human, she had a lot of development since then.
So her having a bit more normal clothes does make sense.
The only thing I wonder is why they changed her hat, it probably didn't look good with the new Outfit.
Also as someone who has a fetish for legs, Ram getting thiccer is a plus in every of my books.

Millia is a so so book. While you are right that the "panty" shots were there, the Leggings pretty much negated the whole point of that.
Yes Jam is much much more obvious in that department.

I think my stand on censoreship is obvious, I have made that clear by now.