Supressor in a Huntinggame dont buy it

[Hoschi]

Really ? A Supressor in a Hunting Game ? Why ? Is this a Arcadegame without realismus ?

[Mauserich]

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To put it in a nutshell: I can't be impressed by a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ silencer. A Mauser Original “African Model” can impress me.

https://www.dorleac-dorleac.com/arme/mauser-african-modell/?lang=en

The fact is that the world is flooded with cheap, modern junk and people are once again longing for quality, perfection and the desire for aesthetic permanence rather than being driven from one new sow to the next like consumer cattle.

Barrels today are longer lasting, more precise, and lighter in weight all at the same time. Suppressors are by no means something to be impressed by. But some of the amazing hunting rifles made these days are absolutely astounding in their reliability and how they shoot. But you do in fact pay for quality.

Also nothing wrong with modern sporting rifle other than the fact that its usually heavy compared to a good high quality hunting rifle and not as well optimized for the job of hiking in the woods and deer hunting though many are great for protecting your fields from coyotes and pigs. Only fuds think otherwise.

It's very difficult for me to get excited about something current, but of course there are rifles that can do that, but these designs have usually been around for a longer time. Of course, modern steels are more efficient and CNC-controlled production is more versatile and precise, but the trend is mainly towards material and component reduction, cheap substitute materials, outsourced final assembly and unattractive platform designs that are simply no longer a harmonious unit. A silencer like this simply detracts from the appearance.

[unknown]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh unknown:

Barrels today are longer lasting, more precise, and lighter in weight all at the same time. Suppressors are by no means something to be impressed by. But some of the amazing hunting rifles made these days are absolutely astounding in their reliability and how they shoot. But you do in fact pay for quality.

Also nothing wrong with modern sporting rifle other than the fact that its usually heavy compared to a good high quality hunting rifle and not as well optimized for the job of hiking in the woods and deer hunting though many are great for protecting your fields from coyotes and pigs. Only fuds think otherwise.

It's very difficult for me to get excited about something current, but of course there are rifles that can do that, but these designs have usually been around for a longer time. Of course, modern steels are more efficient and CNC-controlled production is more versatile and precise, but the trend is mainly towards material and component reduction, cheap substitute materials, outsourced final assembly and unattractive platform designs that are simply no longer a harmonious unit. A silencer like this simply detracts from the appearance.

It no different than it was before. If you want a nice rifle you have to pay for it. Everything relative to price has gotten significantly better. I have both modern rifles and high end bolt action hunting rifles and high end rifles and cheap ones from yester year made in the 60s through the 80s. I do also love my WWII guns. The old stuff just doesn't hold a candle to the new stuff. And much of it was not fired all that much though its life. My grandfather bought them new and fired them each only a small amount on hunting trips. And I can tell you there were certainly some really junky cheap rifles made then as there are now.

I will say the difference between then and now is the cheap stuff today is a lot more usable than it used to so you see more people using things like a rugar american which while a cheap rifle shoots really good and through in an upgraded trigger and its a very nice shooting rifle with some feeding issues and a crappy looking stock.

I would say the market for high end guns while having grown due to population sizes isn't as big percentage wise due to the number of decent cheap rifles. But it is certainly bigger today than it was of yester year and you can get some incredibly nice stuff these days.

[Mauserich]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Mauserich:

It's very difficult for me to get excited about something current, but of course there are rifles that can do that, but these designs have usually been around for a longer time. Of course, modern steels are more efficient and CNC-controlled production is more versatile and precise, but the trend is mainly towards material and component reduction, cheap substitute materials, outsourced final assembly and unattractive platform designs that are simply no longer a harmonious unit. A silencer like this simply detracts from the appearance.

It no different than it was before. If you want a nice rifle you have to pay for it. Everything relative to price has gotten significantly better. I have both modern rifles and high end bolt action hunting rifles and high end rifles and cheap ones from yester year made in the 60s through the 80s. I do also love my WWII guns. The old stuff just doesn't hold a candle to the new stuff. And much of it was not fired all that much though its life. My grandfather bought them new and fired them each only a small amount on hunting trips. And I can tell you there were certainly some really junky cheap rifles made then as there are now.

I will say the difference between then and now is the cheap stuff today is a lot more usable than it used to so you see more people using things like a rugar american which while a cheap rifle shoots really good and through in an upgraded trigger and its a very nice shooting rifle with some feeding issues and a crappy looking stock.

I would say the market for high end guns while having grown due to population sizes isn't as big percentage wise due to the number of decent cheap rifles. But it is certainly bigger today than it was of yester year and you can get some incredibly nice stuff these days.

Trigger here, trigger there. Even in the middle class, rifles today no longer have metal magazines, hardly any have solid bolts, almost none have controled round feed, almost all have shortened barrels, are set up for cartridges with long twist and limited bullet weight or trendy finishes, trendy shape, trendy mounts, or set up for trendy cartridges that will be obsolete tomorrow. All things that limit the aesthetic, physical life, limit spare parts supply and hunting versatility of a rifle.

Today, business economists with a focus on costs and marketing strategie, design the guns, not huntingenthusiasts and rifle experts.

Of course there are exceptions, but even there are limitations. If you're really looking for something good, timeless with good Optics, you'll pay almost the price of a small car and even then you won't necessarily get what you have in mind.

[unknown]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mauserich:

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Don't need to pay the price of a new car to have a all of those features you described and a nicely finished and carved walnut stock. Don't need a fancy scope. You can get a mid tier votex scope which is in my experience is more robust with better quality glass than my grandfathers stuff. Its one thing to look at the ARs and the tactical side of firearms and a different thing entirely looking for a good modern day bolt action. Though you see less metal mags simply from a sound standpoint though with composites you can get a more durable mag than anything made from stamped steel that being said a milled magazine will be the most durrable with the highest cost in weight. I always run a long barreled rifle as I prefer the accuracy it affords. If it doesn't shoot at least sub moa with factory ammo it isn't a rifle worth using in my book. But you can get below that at the 2k to 3k price point. Again with fully milled recievers incredibly strong actions good tiggers and top of the line barrels blued in the old style with that timeless wood stock that I personally prefer. Though I do like a lightened barrel for hunting as its less weight to carry around though I prefer a heavy barrel for target shooting.

Biggest thing is don't go looking at your sporting goods store as most are selling exactly what you don't want. go do a dedicated guns hop that does more custom stuff and imports and you will have a very different experience.

I can assure you my new car I just bought is worth more than my entire gun collection 2 times over with higher end stuff and I don't have an especially expensive car. At least for my modern firearms. My antique collection inherited does have 1 or 2 rare bits that have some value and do bring the price up but then again I am not in the business of selling it so I don't have a full value on that.

[Mauserich]

Yes, it really is advisable to stay behind the trend. Personally, I'm enjoying browsing the high-end used and collector's market for quality rifles more and more.

Hopefully this game will offer enough freedom that we won't be forced to use every trendy rifle we dont like and gives us cool options. I'm a little sceptical.

Interesting video - What’s the BIG deal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8RD2cgv-6c

[Shev]

For the fellow Americans here complaining about silencers: Most countries around the world REQUIRE hunters to use silencers so they don't disrupt not just the local wildlife(as in, you will be fined for NOT using them, as they are seen as hearing protection and can buy them off the shelf like earmuffs and earplugs), but it keeps down the noise pollution of hearing random gunshots all across the countryside.

For those unaware from other countries; here in the US, acquiring a silencer is(or rather for a very long time) has been an extremely annoying process which is counter to our culture of gun ownership protected by our Second Amendment. To get a silencer, we have to be fingerprinted, entered into a database, FBI background check(Federal government involvement), and then pay $200 for a 'tax stamp' ontop of the price of the silencer we're buying. This process used to take 12-18 months just for the paperwork to go through before we could buy the silencer(s), and we have to pay $200 for the tax stamp for EACH silencer we buy. See a nice $600 silencer? It'll be $200 extra because the government has put an entirely unnecessary tax on it(and we still pay the tax on the silencer itself as a seperate purchase).

NOTE: My brother and father have held off on doing all that for decades, but my father is 76 and just wants to have fun and enjoy shooting targets or hunting and not blowing out his eardrums any more than they are(He's a Vietnam veteran, and his hearing has not been the greatest), he went two weeks ago to get his fingerprints done digital right at the gunshop(kiosks are setup to have it done digitally, rather than having to goto the police station), and he was able to order his silencers AND setup a trust fund for them so that they can be given to my brother upon my father's death. He'll probably pick the silencers up from that same gunshop next week, so three weeks total as opposed to 12-18 month wait time.

NOW, having said all that; any US citizen here complaining about people using silencers in a hunting game are idiots. People hunt in the US all the time with silencers if they have them. My dad is an avid, active guy at the age of 76, and he's been buying .22, .25 .30cal and .50 cal ammo for his air rifles for atleast five years to hunt with; because even the .50 cal rifle is rather quiet for being a .50 round. You definitely hear the 'crack' of air blowing the round down range, but it's not the roar of an actual .50 firearm.

So, as someone who hunts and comes from a family of hunters/fishermen, I appreciate that silencers are being included in this new game; because much of the world uses them and everyone around the world will be playing this game.

As for the snarky remarks about wanting AR-15s and AK47s to hunt with; yes, Americans use AR-15s for hunting(it's a GREAT hunting rifle platform), and countries that have AK47s as the dominant rifle do indeed make use of them aswell. Fun fact, some countries even let you have full automatic weapons; and some countries don't allow you to have anything more than a bolt action rifle or a shotgun.

The world is a big place, and each country has it's own laws regarding gun ownership, attachments, size of magazines, ammo used, even amount of ammo you're allowed to have in your house. Let's not be so ethnocentric to think that it's either 'the American way, or nothing'.

[Shev]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Truth Bringer:

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Just so you know, moving any animal to a 'nature preserve' doesn't mean the animal stays there; and more often than not when you hand the live animals over to game wardens, all they do is take them out into the local woods and release them there. The animals can and will travel for hundreds of miles, and they can make it back to their original locations(we know this, because even our domesticated cats and dogs have traveled these distances back home).

Also, let's say the game wardens put every life-trapped animal into the nearest 'nature refuge', if every coyote in a 100 miles of that refuge was moved there, they'd start to starve and have to all start lingering and traveling further out, which puts everyone, their children, pets and livestock at risk.

You act like you're offering a sympathy response so these animals don't get shot; but you're making their situation worse AND harming more people in the process.

Every animal has it's place on this earth, from the lowest bacteria, to every worm, coyote, wolf, bear, all the way to the largest blue whale. We all have our place and our function, even people; people were given dominion over the world and to be it's warden and protector, but as any shepherd will remind you, we have to protect the flock(prey species) and our families.

I suggest everyone go watch the video on Youtube "How Wolves change Rivers", it's based on how Yellowstone Nation Park reintroduced wolves, and how the wolves, from top to bottom, made Yellowstone a MUCH healthier ecosystem.

Remember; hunting isn't about obliterating species, it's about conservation and population control. If you want to complain about over-hunted species; go talk to people in Cambodia and third world countries where they have truely obliterated the tigers, giant river catfish, rhino, elephants, etc species to near extinction, and when confronted about it they merely say "I'll make my money before they're extinct, atleast."

[NUTHEAD111]

I just want this game to be a good hunting game. (plus i will be getting the demo and the full game!)

[NUTHEAD111]

I think that silencers are good for hunting, because they can help not almost burst your eardrums-(i'm exaggerating).

[Vril]

No one forces you to use silencers, thermal vision, hell even a frickin rifle, get a bow, or better yet, wrestle with your prey. Do not gatekeep hunting because you have some preconceived notions about how it "should" look.

[Mauserich]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Vril:

No one forces you to use silencers, thermal vision, hell even a frickin rifle, get a bow, or better yet, wrestle with your prey. Do not gatekeep hunting because you have some preconceived notions about how it "should" look.

Of course everyone can hunt as they like - within the law - but you don't have to follow every new trend, especially not in a game. Because when it's primarily about weapons or equipment trends, the actual game and the depth of the game take a back seat.

I'd rather be able to hunt game with rich behavior with just a few nice classic rifles than visit a superficial shooting gallery with dozens of trendy weapons and attachments that will be obsolete the next year. Depth of games rather than breadth is called for. There is already enough superficial games.