Character Creator Body Types

[RedWorld]

Hi, pretty decent game so far. Interested in playing more but will the devs consider re-instating Male/Female for the character creator? The whole "body type" thing as a means of replacing Male and Female is weird and detracts from the experience of creating a character and the fantasy of the game.

Thanks for considering.

[ButtahNips]

Originally posted by RedWorld:

Originally posted by ButtahNips:

I'm sorry but if you are confused by this type of labelling, while also doing the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ THING BABIES DO by exploring what each is, and then visually confirming what each option is, you probably should be in a special care facility.

When you say 'visually confirming what each option is' would you say that you are visually confirming which is male and female?

I visually confirm TYPICALLY which is feminine and which is masculine.
But I wouldn't assume consciously which is a "male" and which is a "female" because they are largely just shapes.
I would say subconsciously I would off the cuff assign gender markers to each but that is because of the many many years in the modern era that gender roles have been enforced and propagandised.
Social conditioning isn't inherently "correct"

[ButtahNips]

Originally posted by joellestatler35:

Originally posted by ButtahNips:

Incorrect. Male and female are sex
man and woman are gender.
Your sex is generally biological function
your gender is how you identify and present yourself.
Whether or not you can impregnate or be impregnated has nothing to do with your outward appearance, behaviour, demeanour, what roles you fill, who you are attracted to, what your hair looks like, if you have soft features or hard features, whether you have wide shoulders or narrow shoulders etc.
Conflating sex and gender is at best just ignorant and at worst EXPLICITLY AND MALICIOUSLY trying to erase anthropology.

That is true in your ideology, not in reality.

My brother in christ you can literally read scientific papers about this. You can see multiple different professions that confirm this has BEEN true for humans throughout history.
To say "It's just your ideology" is you LITERALLY saying that peer reviewed evidence is actually not a reasonable source for information.

[joellestatler35]

Originally posted by ButtahNips:

Originally posted by joellestatler35:

That was a strawman fallacy and I never said that, not even close. But you seem confused about what a woman is so let me explain more explicitly. A woman is someone whose body has ever produced eggs, or will, or would if not for a genetic or developmental abnormality. Whether you are male or female is not determined by the way you feel or what you believe.

Incorrect. Male and female are sex
man and woman are gender.
Your sex is generally biological function
your gender is how you identify and present yourself.
Whether or not you can impregnate or be impregnated has nothing to do with your outward appearance, behaviour, demeanour, what roles you fill, who you are attracted to, what your hair looks like, if you have soft features or hard features, whether you have wide shoulders or narrow shoulders etc.
Conflating sex and gender is at best just ignorant and at worst EXPLICITLY AND MALICIOUSLY trying to erase anthropology.

This is a good illustration of why body types should be replaced with male/female. This insane ideology should not be normalised or promoted.

[spicy little monkey]

Originally posted by ButtahNips:

Originally posted by joellestatler35:

That is true in your ideology, not in reality.

My brother in christ you can literally read scientific papers about this. You can see multiple different professions that confirm this has BEEN true for humans throughout history.
To say "It's just your ideology" is you LITERALLY saying that peer reviewed evidence is actually not a reasonable source for information.

You haven't noticed yet that literally everyone here is against you? x)

[ButtahNips]

Originally posted by joellestatler35:

Originally posted by ButtahNips:

Incorrect. Male and female are sex
man and woman are gender.
Your sex is generally biological function
your gender is how you identify and present yourself.
Whether or not you can impregnate or be impregnated has nothing to do with your outward appearance, behaviour, demeanour, what roles you fill, who you are attracted to, what your hair looks like, if you have soft features or hard features, whether you have wide shoulders or narrow shoulders etc.
Conflating sex and gender is at best just ignorant and at worst EXPLICITLY AND MALICIOUSLY trying to erase anthropology.

This is a good illustration of why body types should be replaced with male/female. This insane ideology should not be normalised or promoted.

What they're labelled is ultimately pretty banal, and the decision overall of developers to adopt this over the traditional labelling is wholly because there are more benefits to it than downsides. That's it.

To stop ♥♥♥♥♥footing around it, trans people exist. They are real. There is plenty of science that supports them, there are even brain studies done on pre transition people who ARE TRANS where their brain activity and function on MRI match closer to their EXPRESSED GENDER than their BORN SEX

All that aside, gender affirming care reduces suicide rates. That should be all the reason you need to accept this reality. LESS DEAD PEOPLE IS A GOOD THING, THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE FOR CHILDREN.

[ButtahNips]

Originally posted by spicy little monkey:

Originally posted by ButtahNips:

My brother in christ you can literally read scientific papers about this. You can see multiple different professions that confirm this has BEEN true for humans throughout history.
To say "It's just your ideology" is you LITERALLY saying that peer reviewed evidence is actually not a reasonable source for information.

You haven't noticed yet that literally everyone here is against you? x)

If I walk into a Nazi rally and argue with them, because there are more of them than me does that mean they are correct? This is what your supposition is.

[spicy little monkey]

This is a reminder to get some evening snacks, sit back and enjoy watching the crazy one

[RedWorld]

Originally posted by ButtahNips:

Originally posted by RedWorld:

When you say 'visually confirming what each option is' would you say that you are visually confirming which is male and female?

I visually confirm TYPICALLY which is feminine and which is masculine.
But I wouldn't assume consciously which is a "male" and which is a "female" because they are largely just shapes.
I would say subconsciously I would off the cuff assign gender markers to each but that is because of the many many years in the modern era that gender roles have been enforced and propagandised.
Social conditioning isn't inherently "correct"

This is a lot of gymnastics. You can just say that you look at Body Type A and Body Type B to see which is Male and Female.

Do you think that Body Type A is male and Body Type B is female?

[ButtahNips]

Originally posted by RedWorld:

Originally posted by ButtahNips:

I visually confirm TYPICALLY which is feminine and which is masculine.
But I wouldn't assume consciously which is a "male" and which is a "female" because they are largely just shapes.
I would say subconsciously I would off the cuff assign gender markers to each but that is because of the many many years in the modern era that gender roles have been enforced and propagandised.
Social conditioning isn't inherently "correct"

This is a lot of gymnastics. You can just say that you look at Body Type A and Body Type B to see which is Male and Female.

Do you think that Body Type A is male and Body Type B is female?

Asking your question again doesn't change the answer lmao.

[RedWorld]

Originally posted by ButtahNips:

Originally posted by RedWorld:

This is a lot of gymnastics. You can just say that you look at Body Type A and Body Type B to see which is Male and Female.

Do you think that Body Type A is male and Body Type B is female?

Asking your question again doesn't change the answer lmao.

So then it is your position that Body Type A is NOT male, and Body Type B is NOT female?

[joellestatler35]

Originally posted by ButtahNips:

Originally posted by joellestatler35:

This is a good illustration of why body types should be replaced with male/female. This insane ideology should not be normalised or promoted.

What they're labelled is ultimately pretty banal, and the decision overall of developers to adopt this over the traditional labelling is wholly because there are more benefits to it than downsides. That's it.

To stop ♥♥♥♥♥footing around it, trans people exist. They are real. There is plenty of science that supports them, there are even brain studies done on pre transition people who ARE TRANS where their brain activity and function on MRI match closer to their EXPRESSED GENDER than their BORN SEX

All that aside, gender affirming care reduces suicide rates. That should be all the reason you need to accept this reality. LESS DEAD PEOPLE IS A GOOD THING, THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE FOR CHILDREN.

Whether you're male or female (or a man or woman) depends on your gametes, not your feelings or beliefs. I think promoting an ideology that promotes chemically castrating children and surgically mutilating their bodies is deeply wrong.

[ButtahNips]

Originally posted by joellestatler35:

Originally posted by ButtahNips:

What they're labelled is ultimately pretty banal, and the decision overall of developers to adopt this over the traditional labelling is wholly because there are more benefits to it than downsides. That's it.

To stop ♥♥♥♥♥footing around it, trans people exist. They are real. There is plenty of science that supports them, there are even brain studies done on pre transition people who ARE TRANS where their brain activity and function on MRI match closer to their EXPRESSED GENDER than their BORN SEX

All that aside, gender affirming care reduces suicide rates. That should be all the reason you need to accept this reality. LESS DEAD PEOPLE IS A GOOD THING, THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE FOR CHILDREN.

Whether you're male or female (or a man or woman) depends on your gametes, not your feelings or beliefs. I think promoting an ideology that promotes chemically castrating children and surgically mutilating their bodies is deeply wrong.

Your perception of reality is literally fantasy.
But you are regurgitating alt right ragebait bot script now.
I'm not that shocked tbh

[ButtahNips]

Originally posted by RedWorld:

Originally posted by ButtahNips:

Asking your question again doesn't change the answer lmao.

So then it is your position that Body Type A is NOT male, and Body Type B is NOT female?

Correct. They are textures and have no biology. They are ultimately ones and zeros. :)
If we're determined to be obtuse that is.

[joellestatler35]

Originally posted by ButtahNips:

Originally posted by joellestatler35:

Whether you're male or female (or a man or woman) depends on your gametes, not your feelings or beliefs. I think promoting an ideology that promotes chemically castrating children and surgically mutilating their bodies is deeply wrong.

Your perception of reality is literally fantasy.
But you are regurgitating alt right ragebait bot script now.
I'm not that shocked tbh

If a man wears a dress it does not make him a woman.

[spicy little monkey]

Originally posted by joellestatler35:

Originally posted by ButtahNips:

Your perception of reality is literally fantasy.
But you are regurgitating alt right ragebait bot script now.
I'm not that shocked tbh

If a man wears a dress it does not make him a woman.

And in fact, in history, it was the man who wore the dress first.