I am practicing Orthodox Christian

[bridgeofblues]

I met a decent amount of nuns in my travels. Is this game a deep criticism of the church? In my experience, nuns are women who are trying to emulate God.

[Kan3da.]

Ill let you be the judge, my impression is you might feel offended.

https://imgur.com/2ilOJbU

[Luizinho]

bridgeofblues a écrit :

I met a decent amount of nuns in my travels. Is this game a deep criticism of the church? In my experience, nuns are women who are trying to emulate God.

I haven't finished it yet, but given the path it's taken of all the works in general made by a skeptic since I converted, this is one of the least offensive I've ever seen, even so I believe it could offend those who are orthodox, to play this game, I believe that we must always remember the obstacles we go through until we reach the knowledge of the truth revealed by God, because the protagonist's doubts are those of someone who does not understand that love can only exist within free will, Christ chose to give his life for the salvation of everyone and we must respond to this love but we are not obligated, hell exists and was created for the fallen Angels and we have the free will to choose this place by rejecting the life that is the Incarnate Word. The arts are very beautiful, I recommend them with reservations.

[Writer Has Breached Containment]

Luizinho a écrit :

bridgeofblues a écrit :

I met a decent amount of nuns in my travels. Is this game a deep criticism of the church? In my experience, nuns are women who are trying to emulate God.

I haven't finished it yet, but given the path it's taken of all the works in general made by a skeptic since I converted, this is one of the least offensive I've ever seen, even so I believe it could offend those who are orthodox, to play this game, I believe that we must always remember the obstacles we go through until we reach the knowledge of the truth revealed by God, because the protagonist's doubts are those of someone who does not understand that love can only exist within free will, Christ chose to give his life for the salvation of everyone and we must respond to this love but we are not obligated, hell exists and was created for the fallen Angels and we have the free will to choose this place by rejecting the life that is the Incarnate Word. The arts are very beautiful, I recommend them with reservations.

Yeah, the fundamental issue I have with the game's main critique is that several of its arguments kinda requiring the Christ part of Christianity. If the grace, love conquers all, and salvation parts weren't a factor, I'd say they were going somewhere poignant, but instead it feels like a half-eaten sandwich left behind at a bistro. Not offensive, but it's weird they didn't bother finishing it. Maybe they were just trying to critique the greater Church at large, and its hypocrisies, which I can understand, but it still leaves things feeling incomplete.

[Kan3da.]

Saint Phoenix a écrit :

bridgeofblues a écrit :

My man, the asceticism goes back to Christ. Even early Monasticism began around the third century. It is an organic and natural part of the church. When that formed, both East and West were united. You have to understand how the Orthodox Church works as well on the organizational level. We are one church split into jurisdictions. So when you hear Greek Orthodox Church, Russian Orthodox Church, Serbian, etc, they are all one church communion with each other. Now, there are cultural and spiritual traditions within different jurisdictions. But it does not trump the one Holy Tradition handed down by Christ and the Apostles guided by the Spirit in our theology.

I am no fan of the Catholic Church, but I would not call it the devil Church, for we do have a shared history, and I personally admire many catholic saints. My man, it sounds like you heard really old Protestant polemics.

My brother in Christ. I'm a full blown protestant, and identify myself as an English protestant, for it is the King James translation I believe is the word of God in the English language. For where the word of a king is, there is power.

You obviously, to me, have not done much study of God's word, or you would know that the fourth kingdom is one that breaks and tears apart, extends far down to the feet, will change and transform itself into something unrecognizable, and will always always always put itself in a position where it is THE AUTHORITY on earth.

That's the Roman Catholic Church, its technical name nowadays, is The Holy See. Its corporate symbol is that imfamous illuminati eye. It holds the services in the church of England, the Rothschilds are but employees of the vatican bank, and the pope reigns, not rules... REIGNS... in the united nations.

Its the devil's church, no matter what you think or like about it.
Hey! I love that catholic churches have that moment in its service where you have to shake hands and kiss the cheek of those around you, as a token of remembering to always love your neighbour.

There is one church, and its not an earthly church.

Thanks for your comments.

Very well written. All in all a bit more restraint on the catholic world order and without the slip of Antisemitism and you would have legitimately gotten me intrigued. As it is, a little too difficult to read past the self serving illustration of Christianity with your faith as its final bulwark against the Vatican Vampires and its Jewish Thralls.

Beautiful prose though, really.

[Death's Design]

Unabridged Gamer a écrit :

Luizinho a écrit :

I haven't finished it yet, but given the path it's taken of all the works in general made by a skeptic since I converted, this is one of the least offensive I've ever seen, even so I believe it could offend those who are orthodox, to play this game, I believe that we must always remember the obstacles we go through until we reach the knowledge of the truth revealed by God, because the protagonist's doubts are those of someone who does not understand that love can only exist within free will, Christ chose to give his life for the salvation of everyone and we must respond to this love but we are not obligated, hell exists and was created for the fallen Angels and we have the free will to choose this place by rejecting the life that is the Incarnate Word. The arts are very beautiful, I recommend them with reservations.

Yeah, the fundamental issue I have with the game's main critique is that several of its arguments kinda requiring the Christ part of Christianity. If the grace, love conquers all, and salvation parts weren't a factor, I'd say they were going somewhere poignant, but instead it feels like a half-eaten sandwich left behind at a bistro. Not offensive, but it's weird they didn't bother finishing it. Maybe they were just trying to critique the greater Church at large, and its hypocrisies, which I can understand, but it still leaves things feeling incomplete.

I agree. I don't take offense to atheistic viewpoints and criticisms of religion; a lot of religious practices have been frowned upon amongst Christians. I completely understand the points they are trying to make, but they are having one side of the story being told, and it can come across as half-baked or narrow minded even. I lean more toward agnostic theism, so I personally have criticisms against both religion and atheistic views.

I believe that the theory of God is a valid one, and people have every right to "search" for God in their daily lives, regardless of where things take them. Even though I don't see eye to eye with how they executed things, I do appreciate the journey that Indika has taken; this is still a reality that many people, including myself, have gone through.

I just wish there were multiple endings; they could still have their atheistic ending, but also have something more agnostic, and maybe one that ends on a cliffhanger of sorts; this way you have replay value but you also can please more people. I don't think the game is bad, I just truly felt that it was an underwhelming experience. The price tag is good so I am not upset.

(I bought the game on my other account by the way.)

[Rin D. Pryde]

bridgeofblues a écrit :

nuns are women who are trying to emulate God.

Are they using Ryujinx or Yuzu though?

[dorohn]

This one is more about Indika and ilya's personal journeys and how they deal with faith.

[bridgeofblues]

Saint Phoenix a écrit :

bridgeofblues a écrit :

My man, the asceticism goes back to Christ. Even early Monasticism began around the third century. It is an organic and natural part of the church. When that formed, both East and West were united. You have to understand how the Orthodox Church works as well on the organizational level. We are one church split into jurisdictions. So when you hear Greek Orthodox Church, Russian Orthodox Church, Serbian, etc, they are all one church communion with each other. Now, there are cultural and spiritual traditions within different jurisdictions. But it does not trump the one Holy Tradition handed down by Christ and the Apostles guided by the Spirit in our theology.

I am no fan of the Catholic Church, but I would not call it the devil Church, for we do have a shared history, and I personally admire many catholic saints. My man, it sounds like you heard really old Protestant polemics.

My brother in Christ. I'm a full blown protestant, and identify myself as an English protestant, for it is the King James translation I believe is the word of God in the English language. For where the word of a king is, there is power.

You obviously, to me, have not done much study of God's word, or you would know that the fourth kingdom is one that breaks and tears apart, extends far down to the feet, will change and transform itself into something unrecognizable, and will always always always put itself in a position where it is THE AUTHORITY on earth.

That's the Roman Catholic Church, its technical name nowadays, is The Holy See. Its corporate symbol is that imfamous illuminati eye. It holds the services in the church of England, the Rothschilds are but employees of the vatican bank, and the pope reigns, not rules... REIGNS... in the united nations.

Its the devil's church, no matter what you think or like about it.
Hey! I love that catholic churches have that moment in its service where you have to shake hands and kiss the cheek of those around you, as a token of remembering to always love your neighbour.

There is one church, and its not an earthly church.

Thanks for your comments.

Brother I'm orthodox, not catholic and it's the same tired polemics I hear all the time if the Catholic Church is indeed damned then all protestants are as well for they come from it.

[bridgeofblues]

Unabridged Gamer a écrit :

Luizinho a écrit :

I haven't finished it yet, but given the path it's taken of all the works in general made by a skeptic since I converted, this is one of the least offensive I've ever seen, even so I believe it could offend those who are orthodox, to play this game, I believe that we must always remember the obstacles we go through until we reach the knowledge of the truth revealed by God, because the protagonist's doubts are those of someone who does not understand that love can only exist within free will, Christ chose to give his life for the salvation of everyone and we must respond to this love but we are not obligated, hell exists and was created for the fallen Angels and we have the free will to choose this place by rejecting the life that is the Incarnate Word. The arts are very beautiful, I recommend them with reservations.

Yeah, the fundamental issue I have with the game's main critique is that several of its arguments kinda requiring the Christ part of Christianity. If the grace, love conquers all, and salvation parts weren't a factor, I'd say they were going somewhere poignant, but instead it feels like a half-eaten sandwich left behind at a bistro. Not offensive, but it's weird they didn't bother finishing it. Maybe they were just trying to critique the greater Church at large, and its hypocrisies, which I can understand, but it still leaves things feeling incomplete.

I may still give it a shot not everything can be the thecBrothers karamazov. Institutionally there's a lot to critique about the church especially when you know her history and I've been studying it. But the institution is not why we participate in the sacraments or struggle to return God's love.

[Writer Has Breached Containment]

FourStringL0B0 a écrit :

OP: "I am practicing Orthodox Christian"
Also OP: *Favorite Game: Cultist Simulator*

All jokes aside, yeah I don't think steam forums would be a good place to have these types of discussions.

I'm gonna be honest dude - this is more common than you'd think. Everyone expects us religious folk to be as touchy as the conservatives on TV, but most of us are just underwhelmed by what meager offerings there are for media that touches on the subject.

Like, my favorite game is -Dead Space 2-, and it's not exactly an upbeat religious conversation there. Hell, another religious friend I know is an outspoken fan of Manhunt 2. Even the FAITH horror games were made by an actual Presbyterian grappling with his existential beliefs and fears.

[Writer Has Breached Containment]

Atticus a écrit :

I agree. I don't take offense to atheistic viewpoints and criticisms of religion; a lot of religious practices have been frowned upon amongst Christians. I completely understand the points they are trying to make, but they are having one side of the story being told, and it can come across as half-baked or narrow minded even. I lean more toward agnostic theism, so I personally have criticisms against both religion and atheistic views.

I believe that the theory of God is a valid one, and people have every right to "search" for God in their daily lives, regardless of where things take them. Even though I don't see eye to eye with how they executed things, I do appreciate the journey that Indika has taken; this is still a reality that many people, including myself, have gone through.

I just wish there were multiple endings; they could still have their atheistic ending, but also have something more agnostic, and maybe one that ends on a cliffhanger of sorts; this way you have replay value but you also can please more people. I don't think the game is bad, I just truly felt that it was an underwhelming experience. The price tag is good so I am not upset.

(I bought the game on my other account by the way.)

Oh I agree 100% - this was a game MADE to have an agnostic ending, and they really should've embraced that. I actually wondered, with the way the ending works before pressing "Leave" that maybe how you responded to it would alter the outcome. Like, if you actually have faith, then you wouldn't care about the points, whereas doubt would drive her to care more. Instead it just sorta felt like they were going for one last, bleak joke.

[Writer Has Breached Containment]

bridgeofblues a écrit :

Brother I'm orthodox, not catholic and it's the same tired polemics I hear all the time if the Catholic Church is indeed damned then all protestants are as well for they come from it.

*Raises hand* To be fair, Protestantism began as a response to the Catholic Church, not as some branch of it or anything. -Lutheranism- specifically, I could maybe see an argument of connection, but if we're saying "Well if Catholics are damned then everyone is" that gets into some really messy territory. No sizable following of believers/nonbelievers are without their cultural and historical shortcomings.

That said, I really wouldn't give that other guy the time of day, I think he's had a little too much vodka.

[Writer Has Breached Containment]

bridgeofblues a écrit :

I may still give it a shot not everything can be the thecBrothers karamazov. Institutionally there's a lot to critique about the church especially when you know her history and I've been studying it. But the institution is not why we participate in the sacraments or struggle to return God's love.

I don't disagree, but we also didn't really need The Last of Us: Part II to remind everyone "MURDER IS BAD!" Unfortunately, just because someone is able to get a product made doesn't mean they'll have the most profound thing to say. Plus, equally unfortunate, is how audiences tend to like being sung the same song a thousand different ways before they'll listen to a new one.

[Writer Has Breached Containment]

Saint Phoenix a écrit :

bridgeofblues a écrit :

My man, the asceticism goes back to Christ. Even early Monasticism began around the third century. It is an organic and natural part of the church. When that formed, both East and West were united. You have to understand how the Orthodox Church works as well on the organizational level. We are one church split into jurisdictions. So when you hear Greek Orthodox Church, Russian Orthodox Church, Serbian, etc, they are all one church communion with each other. Now, there are cultural and spiritual traditions within different jurisdictions. But it does not trump the one Holy Tradition handed down by Christ and the Apostles guided by the Spirit in our theology.

I am no fan of the Catholic Church, but I would not call it the devil Church, for we do have a shared history, and I personally admire many catholic saints. My man, it sounds like you heard really old Protestant polemics.

My brother in Christ. I'm a full blown protestant, and identify myself as an English protestant, for it is the King James translation I believe is the word of God in the English language. For where the word of a king is, there is power.

You obviously, to me, have not done much study of God's word, or you would know that the fourth kingdom is one that breaks and tears apart, extends far down to the feet, will change and transform itself into something unrecognizable, and will always always always put itself in a position where it is THE AUTHORITY on earth.

That's the Roman Catholic Church, its technical name nowadays, is The Holy See. Its corporate symbol is that imfamous illuminati eye. It holds the services in the church of England, the Rothschilds are but employees of the vatican bank, and the pope reigns, not rules... REIGNS... in the united nations.

Its the devil's church, no matter what you think or like about it.
Hey! I love that catholic churches have that moment in its service where you have to shake hands and kiss the cheek of those around you, as a token of remembering to always love your neighbour.

There is one church, and its not an earthly church.

Thanks for your comments.

Wut

[HerculeHolmes]

bridgeofblues a écrit :

Luizinho a écrit :

From the demo I finished, the story's bias is nilist, so I recommend that if you play don't expect a triumph of God, as at a certain point in the demo the main character is forced to sin.

We all sin. A big part of faith is repentance, getting back up, and trying again and again.

Also taking responsibility for our own decisions and actively choosing to live our lives trying to sin as little as possible and holding ourselves accountable when we inevitably do.

It's not so much that you sin, that's unavoidable and nobody (except Christ) is without sin. It's that you actively choose not to so anything that does happen is unintentional and you are willing to atone for.