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I am pretty sure the people talking about the "original" games are the ones who have only played MCL, which aren't even Al Lowe games (literally what Wet Dreams Don't Dry 1 and 2 are based off of from the start). Even LSL 1 had the bare minimum nudity with like. A tiddy here and there sprinkled. It was the jokes that really made the game what it was.
Leisure Suit Larry 1-7 - Made by Sierra Entertainment via Al Lowe
Leisure Suit Larry Magna ♥♥♥ Laude - Made by High Voltage Software without Al Lowe
Leisure Suit Larry Box Office Bust - Made by Team17 without Al Lowe
Leisure Suit Larry Wet Dreams Don't Dry + Wet Dreams Dry Twice - Made by CrazyBunch without Al Lowe
Different developers, different ways to do it
So you lied about censoring it to get it on consoles, when console games not only have nudity but realistic nudity, not cartoon nudity.
You aren't being transparent if you are lying.
could you please elaborate your post, as currently with the quote from myself, it makes no sense.
If you want explicit nudity in a game, set your steam filters to "show adult games/content", if you are old enough and enjoy.
Right from the start we made clear that Leisure Suit Larry is true to the series and an Adventure game at first, not a game full of nudity, or whatever some players want to see and get, what has never been part of Leisure Suit Larry.
-cheers
"To be honest, it is not about the extra work (which would also be extra costs), we just don't want to have two different versions of the same game, that would be absolutely unfair to possible console customers."
This is a lie. You don't have to make two versions, Consoles allow nudity, Have you played GTAV, Witcher with realistic nudity?
If you want another lie, No you aren't being faithful to the Leisure suit franchise, The character design is not faithful, Leiisure Suit larry Reloaded was faithful. The game doesn't even follow what happens in 7.
Then you insult previous fans by telling them to play other games. They are playing other games and they have more sales because they don't insult the fans by telling them to play other games..
Why did you license this franchise? You're not making the sales to justify the license. You insult the original fans and you insult the original creator.
Who are these geniuses who take old franchises, insult the original fans, change it to something else and then cry when they lose money. With 150,000 thousand in sales most of which bought in a steam sale for less than ten dollars, how do you pay 50+ employees, with license fees, Steam fees?
How are you even getting paid?
you have read all statements from our side, reasonings and alike.
Therefore, there is nothing more to add, what has not been shared, discussed or brought up already and can be read in this community hub.
In the end, as you seem quite experienced how the gaming industry works, feel free licensing a franchise and working on it. We would be happy, if you would share your results afterwards.
-cheers
Well, after playing through the Game it's not like it was "bad" because of censorship, BUT after i got my hand later on, on a uncensored version, the small stuff made a difference like day and night. It simply sets a different tone, if you attack someone and when you beat him he ends up as black dust, or if you actually kill somebody and it "splatters" blood. It makes the whole Game more immersive and mature, and esp. believable that you actually play an Assassins who kill other assassins to rank up. So disregard, talk down or whatever the importancy of such details, and discredit people for it is kinda meh, because i'd argue Details like this are part of the "overall Quality". It might not be the "only" Vital or Mainselling Point of Games, but it can be "part" of it and cutting/censoring stuff like this can impact the overall Experience for Players.
So, to go back to your Games that's my major gripe about this whole "Topic", i don't see you as bad Developers as all, actually quite the oposite, unlike others "I'm overall" pleased with your iterations of LSL... i find the Artstyle fitting, i enjoyed the story and the Humor (which is obviously very subjective) was fun too... !HOWEVER! for me personally these Games kinda miss something for "true greatness" and esp. now after reading this topic it made me realize, your "Vision" is simply too tame for a Game like LSL, I mean imagine cut all gore, blood etc from Mortal Kombat, while still a good game, it can't unleash its full potential, and the some goes kinda for this. And that's why i can understand !why! some fans are frustrated with your Decision.
That's my personal view on this Topic. Not saying your Games are bad at all or whatever, i quite enjoyed them (and got even two copies of each entry, one for pc and one for console, so if it wouldn't be the case that i enjoy them, i wouldn't have doen that), but i'd argue they could've been even better games if you might have been a bit less tame, esp. about "nudity". But you do you, it's "your" Game etc. i simply wanted to share my opinion or "senf".
thank you for your feedback and definitely a huge thank you for your support and kind words.
There is nothing much I can add, besides that statment that includes already all that needed to be said.
Maybe, in addition, that in general the Leisure Suit Larry games were not about nudity at all.
Actually, there was just one Larry-game with more or less explicit nudity -> Magna ♥♥♥ Laude, which had totally different developers and publisher working on it.
Even Al Lowe, who has been mentioned quite often around here (as creator of Larry Laffer) did not enjoy that game for several reasons as he has mentioned in a "recent" interview.
Summed up: We got our reasons, among others, besides providing the game to a broader audience on consoles as well, staying as true as possible to the previous titles as well as surely establishing our own approach of Larry Laffer together with CrazyBunch, which overall was received more than well.
-cheers
You'll never get Larry's original audience back, the 36 of us are gonna find some other game.
You'll just have to be content with the dozens of thousands of sales from your console editions and so on. Enjoy your 73 percent metacritic, you... ... You lukewarm toast soaked in water with margarine.
It's still better than Box Office Bust was, though
See, this is exactly my point.
You have no idea.
Almost all the original LSL games have included nudity as cheating. In Leisure Suit Larry 6 you can be persistent. In Leisure Suit Larry 7 there are more cheats and codes than you can shake a stick at.
Even in the Liar's Dice demo, when your opponent takes off her panties, she moves her drink first to block your view, there's a secret code that lets you look under her cup!
. . . Her DICE cup, of course! What did you think I was talking about?
Every real Larry game has included CHEATS, AND, SECRETS! Yours doesn't so it's not a real Larry game.
First of all, Magna ♥♥♥ Laude, The Laffer Utilities and Larry Casino were cheap ripoffs and not even adventure games at all, Al Lowe wasn't involved and is of course not happy with what they've done.
So you should not refer to these, as long you won't compare yourself with garbage.
The only thing worth mentioning about these is the fact that Larry Casino and The Laffer Utilities were sold a few hundred thousand times each, according to Al Lowe. You are proud to sell slightly above one hundred thousand copies, maybe you should thing about that statement when garbage with a Larry lable sells around twice as good. But that's not the point, it's about your way of dealing with critics.
You react in a narcistic, cocky way instead of listening to the fanbase. And even if you sold a f****** million copies, it's a pretty bad habit to ignore critics - and pretty dangerous for your "success" as well.
For example me, I will buy every average Adventure, because I like Adventures, but I also didn't like what you did to Larry in WDDT, even if it's not a really bad game, but it's just mainstream.
About your statements about nudity:
True, Larry was never explicit porn. But as I mentioned it's NOT about nudity here, but it's about "YOUR VISION". You can create a game based on your vision, but you cannot say the same time it's in line with what Larry stands for. Playing WDDT fells like watching a bloodless, teethless hollywood remake of a great 70's or 80's movie. It's high polished but without any soul, it's made for earning money instead of creating a controversy, that's something complete different. It's like Art and Reality TV Trash.
You say Larry never showed (explicit) nudity and try to reduce critics to that point. TRUE, but you cannot compare the 80's and early 90's to nowadays. (Ok, a porn on CGA or EGA graphics sounds funny :D)
Let me tell you some facts:
Al Lowe created Larry after he played a game from 1981. This game was named Softporn Adventure. Al Lowe wanted to create a similar but funny game.
Larry 1 was no commercial success, because it was never advertised.
According to Al Lowe Larry 2 wasn't that dirty, he wanted to create it dirtier, but it just not happened. He received a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for this and Part 3 was more explicit again. So even the big Al Lowe listened to the fanbase and reacted to their whishes...
And finally, you like to tell us about the tame spirit of the original Larry, but did you know that there was a draft bill from the goverment of California which was called the Leisure-Suit-Larry-Bill???
It said that it's not allowed to put violence, cigarettes, alcohol, cursing, sex "or anything else interesting"(Al Lowe) in a video game.
This law was luckily declined, but it shows that Larry stands for all the things you want to deny.
And again, this is what I call double standards. Al Lowe would have given a s**** about age rating and playstation platform. And that's the spirit that make games great, that create classics and you simply don't are the developers with that high caliber.
You just want to please everybody and make money out of that, and that's just average at it's best. And you are pretty cocky, you don't listen, you try to defend your point of view instead of growing with the community.
The humor of the last game is simply awfull. You try to be PC, you try not to hurt somebodies feelings and that's just awfull.
You reduced the humor and spirit of Larry literally to some penis scribblings on the wall and in the end of this discussion I come to the conclusion that you really don't know what you are talking about...
Everything has been said quite often and with the initial statement starting this off.
Thank you for understanding and step away from opening new threads regarding this topic, as everything has been said and stated within this thread and many other threads before, during, and after the release and will not change our approach or the game in general.
-cheers