Its defenitely time that we get some laws for the gaming industry

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

Laws wich prevent such scams and broken releases, its finally time. All gaming magazines warned about this studio and this release and its still allowed on steam :-/

[Ramstar]

So what are you going to do about it apart from post it here where no one is going to do anything about it?

[fuegerstef]

The main law should be:

Players should inform themselves before buying a product and otherwise should serve a few years in prison when buying bad products, to learn that they are the cause that companies even try to put out bad products.

[stargit]

Originally posted by fuegerstef:

The main law should be:

Players should inform themselves before buying a product and otherwise should serve a few years in prison when buying bad products, to learn that they are the cause that companies even try to put out bad products.

It's steams fault for letting crap games on here.
Just look at dead matter.

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

Originally posted by Ramstar:

So what are you going to do about it apart from post it here where no one is going to do anything about it?

What are you talking about, who do you think i am? Im a little noone a gamer and all i can do is make noise and not buy such scams. When i look around what was going on this year with half baked broken releases, thats far more then most have done.

First the gaming community has to admit to themselfs, that this is no longer acceptable. That they have to stand up against such scams and then we can do something together. Noone is doing somthing alone agianst this, thats the mistake you make.

You run around and pointing the finger at me, while you have nothing to say. But we are all in this boat together and yeah that includes developers aswell btw. They are actually the ones wich could do something. They are the connection between gamers and publisher ...

Originally posted by fuegerstef:

The main law should be:

Players should inform themselves before buying a product and otherwise should serve a few years in prison when buying bad products, to learn that they are the cause that companies even try to put out bad products.

Let me ask you one thing, should we also act like this when it comes to other crimes?

[Ramstar]

Originally posted by evil#thin_ice:

Originally posted by Ramstar:

So what are you going to do about it apart from post it here where no one is going to do anything about it?

What are you talking about, who do you think i am? Im a little noone a gamer and all i can do is make noise and not buy such scams. When i look around what was going on this year with half baked broken releases, thats far more then most have done.

First the gaming community has to admit to themselfs, that this is no longer acceptable. That they have to stand up against such scams and then we can do something together. Noone is doing somthing alone agianst this, thats the mistake you make.

You run around and pointing the finger at me, while you have nothing to say. But we are all in this boat together and yeah that includes developers aswell btw. They are actually the ones wich could do something. They are the connection between gamers and publisher ...

Originally posted by fuegerstef:

The main law should be:

Players should inform themselves before buying a product and otherwise should serve a few years in prison when buying bad products, to learn that they are the cause that companies even try to put out bad products.

Let me ask you one thing, should we also act like this when it comes to other crimes?

Victim mentality. You’re right I don’t have anything to say on the topic as They didn’t commit any crime. At most they should have posted a more recent video of gameplay but it’s your fault you were so emotionally invested from a video 4 years ago. Take some accountability. I know you didn’t want to hear that and I can explain it further but really can’t be bothered.

[Wolf]

Pro tip: never buy a game before knowing the real gameplay from the day 1.

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

Originally posted by Ramstar:

Originally posted by evil#thin_ice:

What are you talking about, who do you think i am? Im a little noone a gamer and all i can do is make noise and not buy such scams. When i look around what was going on this year with half baked broken releases, thats far more then most have done.

First the gaming community has to admit to themselfs, that this is no longer acceptable. That they have to stand up against such scams and then we can do something together. Noone is doing somthing alone agianst this, thats the mistake you make.

You run around and pointing the finger at me, while you have nothing to say. But we are all in this boat together and yeah that includes developers aswell btw. They are actually the ones wich could do something. They are the connection between gamers and publisher ...



Let me ask you one thing, should we also act like this when it comes to other crimes?

Victim mentality. You’re right I don’t have anything to say on the topic as They didn’t commit any crime. At most they should have posted a more recent video of gameplay but it’s your fault you were so emotionally invested from a video 4 years ago. Take some accountability. I know you didn’t want to hear that and I can explain it further but really can’t be bothered.

You have no clue what you are talking about, i speak not just about this one game buddy, i speak about this whole industry and its community wich is of great importance and i can promis you, that makes me emotional because im a human with a beating heart ;-)

Originally posted by Wolf:

Pro tip: never buy a game before knowing the real gameplay from the day 1.

You should tell this to the guys wich putted more then 2 hours into it xD

The whole internet was warning about this game, i believe even sites and channels wich have nothing to do with gaming warned about it and still, its here xD

[Bastila Shan]

Why arent the consumer laws applicable here? Id thought thered be a law against false advertising. I guess since they slap the early access title on it they can deliver as broken a false game as possible.

[Ramstar]

Ok I don’t mind being wrong - can you specifically please point out the crime they committed as written in law.

Or specifically list out what law you think should be created that you think they broke according to your perception .

[stargit]

Originally posted by Ramstar:

Ok I don’t mind being wrong - can you specifically please point out the crime they committed as written in law.

Or specifically list out what law you think should be created that you think they broke according to your perception .

Bait and switch.

It is illegal in the UK to say it's one thing about a product.
But then on release it's another thing.

It must do what it says it can and is.

[fuegerstef]

Originally posted by Wolf:

Pro tip: never buy a game before knowing the real gameplay from the day 1.

That would be reasonable ... but unfortunately we are talking about humans in general and gamers in the 21st century in particular.

[Praesi]

The Gaming Industry is a Law Void. They can do what they want and nothing they have to worry about.

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

Originally posted by Bastila Shan:

Why arent the consumer laws applicable here? Id thought thered be a law against false advertising. I guess since they slap the early access title on it they can deliver as broken a false game as possible.

Let me make one thing clear: the early access thing is a great thing for all the small studios and small teams that want to make their dream games come true, I love it. But unfortunately, the early access tag has always been abused by some studios to simply make quick money. I know, I've bought a lot of early access titles to support such small studios.

But we've reached a stage where we're even getting completely broken releases from Triple A Studios and that can no longer be accepted. Of course I'm not an expert or a lawyer, I don't know if there are already laws that could work here. I tend to think that's not really the case or that they're difficult to apply here because software is a very specific thing. That's why I say someone needs to deal with this.

I'm not sure who is responsible for this. But I'm pretty sure that, for example, small developers who create assets for larger studios and suffer from crises and other things know it. I actually wonder why they haven't already taken action against such things and said no to publishers and investors. Why they don't fight against unrealistic publication deadlines and the like.

As I said before, I think the developers are actually the most important people in this chain. They know what they are doing and what is about to be released. They also know whether a game is designed in such a way that you only notice its bad condition after a few hours and then you can no longer get your money back. They are the ones who have to stand up and say no, and of course we do too ;-)

Originally posted by Ramstar:

Ok I don’t mind being wrong - can you specifically please point out the crime they committed as written in law.

Or specifically list out what law you think should be created that you think they broke according to your perception .

You do not understand, dont you? Im not a lawyer, i can only make noise, other people then have to decide what laws can be applied or made here. The only thing i have in mind, is an independent organisation, that tests games befor release and gives them a go or no. But i think that will be extrtemly hard to realise if not impossible. Thats why i say we need laws, to make sure studios do not even dare to cross some lines ;-)

Originally posted by Praesi:

The Gaming Industry is a Law Void. They can do what they want and nothing they have to worry about.

I have the same impression and i think its true for the most part :_(

[Wraith]

Believe me, the LAST thing you want is for the government to get involved. They manage to mess up just about everything they touch. Next time, do a bit of research before you buy.

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

Originally posted by Bastila Shan:

Why arent the consumer laws applicable here? Id thought thered be a law against false advertising. I guess since they slap the early access title on it they can deliver as broken a false game as possible.

Let me make one thing clear: the early access thing is a great thing for all the small studios and small teams that want to make their dream games come true, I love it. But unfortunately, the early access tag has always been abused by some studios to simply make quick money. I know, I've bought a lot of early access titles to support such small studios.

But we've reached a stage where we're even getting completely broken releases from Triple A Studios and that can no longer be accepted. Of course I'm not an expert or a lawyer, I don't know if there are already laws that could work here. I tend to think that's not really the case or that they're difficult to apply here because software is a very specific thing. That's why I say someone needs to deal with this.

I'm not sure who is responsible for this. But I'm pretty sure that, for example, small developers who create assets for larger studios and suffer from crises and other things know it. I actually wonder why they haven't already taken action against such things and said no to publishers and investors. Why they don't fight against unrealistic publication deadlines and the like.

As I said before, I think the developers are actually the most important people in this chain. They know what they are doing and what is about to be released. They also know whether a game is designed in such a way that you only notice its bad condition after a few hours and then you can no longer get your money back. They are the ones who have to stand up and say no, and of course we do too ;-)

Originally posted by Ramstar:

Ok I don’t mind being wrong - can you specifically please point out the crime they committed as written in law.

Or specifically list out what law you think should be created that you think they broke according to your perception .

You do not understand, dont you? Im not a lawyer, i can only make noise, other people then have to decide what laws can be applied or made here. The only thing i have in mind, is an independent organisation, that tests games befor release and gives them a go or no. But i think that will be extrtemly hard to realise if not impossible. Thats why i say we need laws, to make sure studios do not even dare to cross some lines ;-)

Originally posted by Praesi:

The Gaming Industry is a Law Void. They can do what they want and nothing they have to worry about.

I have the same impression and i think its true for the most part :_(

Originally posted by Wraith:

Believe me, the LAST thing you want is for the government to get involved. They manage to mess up just about everything they touch. Next time, do a bit of research before you buy.

Maybe you are right, but someone has to do something about it. If you do what they do in another business, you get sued for sure and to rights ;-)