Bows are desperately in need of rebalancing.

[Holdur]

First off, bows work in practice like magic attacks, you need focus, just like spells, to use it. This is pretty dumb from almost any possible point of view. If the issue is that ranged would be too OP, for one, who cares, almost every single "difficult game" has an OP build or weapon, builds are the difficulty slider for basically any ARPG, secondly, there are ways to balance both the bow and the enemies so that the range increases with the time it takes to charge the attack, a time during which the enemy AI can be modified to just charge at you. One could even feasibly imagine that giving the bow, as stupid as that sounds, a melee combo so that you could benefit from the dexterity points you put in your character would be better than the current system.

Now the third and worst point of it all. Bows cannot be used with the most accessible dexterity weapon, the dual dual wielding double dagger. This by itself sounds so ridiculous that I have to wonder who could possibly come up with the idea.

    
• Bows cannot be used by themselves because they require focus to shoot
      
• They are a dexterity weapon
      
• The most common dexterity weapon cannot be used with bows.

Excuse me what? You can't even switch weapons like in other ARPGs, to build focus with the daggers and spend it using the bow. And the game needs a better way of telling those contrived systems to the player, I have seen other threads were people were, like me confused about why they couldn't attack with a bow, I even thought it was a bug.

What's even more nonsensical is that you can extract magic runes from magic weapons, put them in the dual daggers, and even though you're using a dexterity build, magic is more viable than a bow.

Please fix the current system because I really don't want to start off a new character since there's no respec in the game.

[Bandit17]

I have no problem using my bow. I generate large mounts of focus with my dagger and my bow can one shot most normal enemies with it's strongest rune attack. You can get a second weapon slot unlocked if you want to dual wield daggers. Don't see the problem here from a game mechanic view.

[Holdur]

Originally posted by Bandit17:

I have no problem using my bow. I generate large mounts of focus with my dagger and my bow can one shot most normal enemies with it's strongest rune attack. You can get a second weapon slot unlocked if you want to dual wield daggers. Don't see the problem here from a game mechanic view.

You don't see a problem with having to wait until you unlock a second weapon slot just to pair a bow with the most common dexterity weapon? Or that bows are in practice just magic?

[Bandit17]

Originally posted by Holdur:

Originally posted by Bandit17:

I have no problem using my bow. I generate large mounts of focus with my dagger and my bow can one shot most normal enemies with it's strongest rune attack. You can get a second weapon slot unlocked if you want to dual wield daggers. Don't see the problem here from a game mechanic view.

You don't see a problem with having to wait until you unlock a second weapon slot just to pair a bow with the most common dexterity weapon? Or that bows are in practice just magic?

In a fantasy video game...nope. Game mechanics and how combat feels is what matters and it feels good to me. I generate so much focus that I can shoot a lot of arrows. What lvl are you? I am lvl 17 with a lot of focus generation upgrades.

[Dwarrowdelf25]

Originally posted by Bandit17:

I have no problem using my bow. I generate large mounts of focus with my dagger and my bow can one shot most normal enemies with it's strongest rune attack. You can get a second weapon slot unlocked if you want to dual wield daggers. Don't see the problem here from a game mechanic view.

Which bow/rune attack are you using? I am the same, focus on hit dagger is op i can get a full bar with two attacks.

[K. Hauzer]

Originally posted by Holdur:

    
• Bows cannot be used by themselves because they require focus to shoot
      
• They are a dexterity weapon
      
• The most common dexterity weapon cannot be used with bows.

Sorry, but u r very wrong.
It can be used by drinking focus potions or making focus regen build.
There are bows that are not only dex but int\faith mixed.
All common dex weapons can be used with dex bow such as huntsman dagger, spear, falschion, moonblade ...l u name it lol

[Bandit17]

Originally posted by Dwarrowdelf25:

Originally posted by Bandit17:

I have no problem using my bow. I generate large mounts of focus with my dagger and my bow can one shot most normal enemies with it's strongest rune attack. You can get a second weapon slot unlocked if you want to dual wield daggers. Don't see the problem here from a game mechanic view.

Which bow/rune attack are you using? I am the same, focus on hit dagger is op i can get a full bar with two attacks.

My biggest damage Rune was from a semi upgraded longbow with Cone Attack that required 22 Dex. I think Multi-shot could also do very well on a better bow than the early shortbow we get access too. I'm currently using Evasive Shot with a Laquered Bow (along with Ice and Fire attacks) and, this being a platformer, is really only safe to use in specific situations:P I am saving up Runes I strip from bows I can't or don't plan to use for a better base that I can upgrade.

[Ceroki]

Nah, but get gud.

[N5O1]

Originally posted by Holdur:

Bows cannot be used by themselves because they require focus to shoot

Focus post drop from each second chest and you always can craft them or buy

Originally posted by Holdur:

They are a dexterity weapon

So?

Originally posted by Holdur:

The most common dexterity weapon cannot be used with bows.

The most common "dexterity weapon" are daggers they single stat weapons that you can or find buy in the start of the game when you get to mariner's keep

[ddmsky]

Originally posted by Holdur:

Originally posted by Bandit17:

I have no problem using my bow. I generate large mounts of focus with my dagger and my bow can one shot most normal enemies with it's strongest rune attack. You can get a second weapon slot unlocked if you want to dual wield daggers. Don't see the problem here from a game mechanic view.

You don't see a problem with having to wait until you unlock a second weapon slot just to pair a bow with the most common dexterity weapon? Or that bows are in practice just magic?

That's literally first upgrade (if you want it). Bows play differently than magic mostly due to dex scaling - you dont have to split between focus and int to make bows work, the same dex can make your entire build running

[Dwarrowdelf25]

With enough focus, i have about 200, you can do almost entire dungeons with the basic fire/ice shots that cost 15f each. Just stock up on potions or the foods that give focus and youll be fine!