Thanks for reviews - removed from wishlist

[DJ_Cas]

Like sincerely, guys :)

[Helmic]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Melodia:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von StarryEyes:

so this game is not arpg, but it is an action rpg, and ♥♥♥♥ anyone who thinks that doesn't makes sense.

What does the 'a' stand for then? Genuinely curious. I've seen a lot of people seem to use the term to only refer to games like Diablo, Torchlight etc but obviously is a common term as well to mean 'Action RPG' (which includes Souls games).

So what does the 'a' stand for here?

genre names for video games are very arbitrary. an RPG is a role playing game, but in most games you play a role. is call of duty an RPG because you play the role of a soldier? RTS is real time strategy - is dark souls an RTS because you gotta think on your feet? don't even get me started on the non-description that is Multiplayer Online Battle Arena.

ARPG is a nebulous genre term that can either refer to just action RPG's in general, or in this case to a specific subgenre that uses RTS-style mouse-driven movement combined with a hotbar of skills and actions (often with cooldowns) that you spam to take out many enemies, sacrificing fine-graitned control over movement (these games almost never have a dedicated dodge button) in favor of having more keys available to press on a keyboard. i've never really seen it clarified with "direct control" (ie WASD or a joystick to move, a smaller number of buttons to act, weapons have actual movesets rather than a hotbar) if that outright rules out a game from the ARPG genre, but the fixed overhead perspective and the focus on loot still jiives with it. maybe it's a bit more in the style of supergiant's action RPG's (bastion, transistor, hades), but for someone that has it in their head that an ARPG must feature click-to-move then this game doesn't match their expectations for hte genre.

personally, i never saw the appeal of click-to-move. it always felt super unresponsive, more of a compromise to early online play where using AI pathfinding was necessary for many games where pings were normally high because everyone's playing on dial-up connections. you're simply using an MMO-style hotbar of what might as well be spells that barely feel like you're the one doing it, scooting and kiting because your control over your positioning is so clumsy and indirect, where it's just a given your character is getting hit and it's just about dealing more damage than you're taking. so a game in this style is appealing to me, the neat bits about ARPG's but without the bad controls. but i also already like the souls games, like most people seem to do, so i'm fine with needing to figure out the exact range of sword swipes and pulling off parries and abusing i-frames.

but in terms of genre, ARPG is indeed somewhat distinct from action RPG, because gamers are horrible at genre names and insist on calling things doom clones for like a decade even as the games stop sharing anything more than a first person perspective and a gun. it's just a bad name that has stuck for lack of a widely accepted alternative.

[Omence072]

Missing out on a good game because noobs don't understand what early access means.

[N0REGARD4LIFE]

I like the game but I have a ONEXGPU which is an 7600M XT and Legion Go I tried to play this on and yikes. The performance was horrible. Guess I’ll play this on my 4090/7800X3D desktop but even then the performance is rough I hear. Cool game though for sure.

[Rasmir]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von StarryEyes:

They were marketing this game as a arpg, as in diablo style arpg. Interviews with developers were even saying how diablo 1 and 2 were major influences and how they wanted to evolve the arpg genre. Not exact words but close enough.

It's not an evolution of the arpg genre, it's an isometric souls like. Now obviously this became apparent when they really started showing off game play and let a select few get their hands on it so its no surprise but... It's just strange that they were trying to pass this game off as an arpg.

Obviously i'm using the the term arpg as in diablo, poe, grim dawn, LE, ETC. so this game is not arpg, but it is an action rpg, and ♥♥♥♥ anyone who thinks that doesn't makes sense.

Thanks for letting us know you have no idea what the a stood for in ARPG. It stands for ACTION. Who gave it that tag? The developers, not the gamers. It's your stupidity that you think every ARPG has to be a POE/Diablo game with bloated endgame systems that you can run over and over again. That is not what ARPG is limited to.

[Wheezy11]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von StarryEyes:

They were marketing this game as a arpg, as in diablo style arpg. Interviews with developers were even saying how diablo 1 and 2 were major influences and how they wanted to evolve the arpg genre. Not exact words but close enough.

It's not an evolution of the arpg genre, it's an isometric souls like. Now obviously this became apparent when they really started showing off game play and let a select few get their hands on it so its no surprise but... It's just strange that they were trying to pass this game off as an arpg.

Obviously i'm using the the term arpg as in diablo, poe, grim dawn, LE, ETC. so this game is not arpg, but it is an action rpg, and ♥♥♥♥ anyone who thinks that doesn't makes sense.

In those exact same interviews didn't they say that soulslikes were the other influence, they didn't want one shotting dozens of enemies and that it would be slower paced, intentional combat that was punishing? That's EXACTLY what was talked about and promised. I know people skim read and miss information, but are they just not watching or listening to what is said about something they're in theory interested in? I don't get it.

[Wheezy11]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von N0REGARD4LIFE:

I like the game but I have a ONEXGPU which is an 7600M XT and Legion Go I tried to play this on and yikes. The performance was horrible. Guess I’ll play this on my 4090/7800X3D desktop but even then the performance is rough I hear. Cool game though for sure.

Seems to have some performance issues regardless of rig at the moment. I don't have an amazing rig, but I'd assume a 2060 super should at least be able to handle not stuttering every 4 seconds set to 1080p. It's going to be a 'put a pin in this until a patch or two comes out' for me.

[Triggerd_Noob]

Steam reviews used to be my go to most trusted source as little as 5 years ago. It's now my least trusted source based on the last few years of me enjoying games that had less than desirable reviews on Steam. I honestly trust reviews from IGN, GameSpot, and other official critic reviews more than Steam. The most important thing I feel anyone should do is watch game play videos from YouTube or twitch steams to truly get a feel if you will enjoy it.

[Ice-Nine]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von BOT Cecil:

To be fair, while they never used the term "souls-like", the way they described combat in the game sounds an awful lot like a souls-like combat system:

"Hone combat skills with a system that challenges you to be deliberate and strategic. Battle against gruesome creatures, enemy soldiers, and punishing bosses in tense, visceral combat."

That's how every game describes its combat, regardless of genre. FPS, RTS, TBT, ARPG, Soulslike, VS Clone, whatever. All of them claim to have strategic, visceral combat. That definitely is not a hint that the game is going to be a souls-like.

[Helmic]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ice-Nine:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von BOT Cecil:

To be fair, while they never used the term "souls-like", the way they described combat in the game sounds an awful lot like a souls-like combat system:

"Hone combat skills with a system that challenges you to be deliberate and strategic. Battle against gruesome creatures, enemy soldiers, and punishing bosses in tense, visceral combat."

That's how every game describes its combat, regardless of genre. FPS, RTS, TBT, ARPG, Soulslike, VS Clone, whatever. All of them claim to have strategic, visceral combat. That definitely is not a hint that the game is going to be a souls-like.

ah yes, the strategic, visceral combat of vampire survivors.

kinda bustin' your chops here but "deliberate and strategic" contrast with words like "fast paced and adrenaline pumping" that get used to describe much faster paced games. it's not unique to soulslikes, sure, but the words absolutely describe a different pacing than something like diablo that has you mowing down enemies with a hotbar, the exact opposite of strategic or visceral.

[Sacko]

game is still in early access, hence its not finished -> people buy the game and complain about a not finished game instead of reading before buying.... > ???

[Ice-Nine]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Helmic:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ice-Nine:

That's how every game describes its combat, regardless of genre. FPS, RTS, TBT, ARPG, Soulslike, VS Clone, whatever. All of them claim to have strategic, visceral combat. That definitely is not a hint that the game is going to be a souls-like.

ah yes, the strategic, visceral combat of vampire survivors.

kinda bustin' your chops here but "deliberate and strategic" contrast with words like "fast paced and adrenaline pumping" that get used to describe much faster paced games. it's not unique to soulslikes, sure, but the words absolutely describe a different pacing than something like diablo that has you mowing down enemies with a hotbar, the exact opposite of strategic or visceral.

The words are literally just meaningless marketing. They don't mean anything, that's my point.

[Mizzu]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Silverlight:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von scoto21:

Hyped by streamers (shills) but sucks IRL, what a surprise.

Went to watch force gaming play it on YouTube .
Clicked on stream- and he was in the middle of a huge rant about whether or not it was paid promotion.
Seemed really defensive about it and he sat on the topic a little too long.

Very sus.

You can't trust any of these Youtubers anymore. Doesn't matter if you were a big fan of him / her for years.... In the end, they all just want to pay their rent and sell something to survive...

[BeelzeBob]

It's a great game that blends Soulslike elements with arpg elements to great effect overall. It's also very much an unfinished game with technical issues, which is typical for an early access game. Threads like this are just more proof that humanity is devolving more and more into a bunch of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[magikvvizard]

Wahhh the game isnt easy Wahhh im going to write a negative review because i didnt research a game and bought it blind when every streamer with early access showed it off. Maybe if you guys complain enough they can put in an auto win mode.

[Ice-Nine]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von BeelzeBob:

It's a great game that blends Soulslike elements with arpg elements to great effect overall.

Except it's not.