"Magic and rune skill" shuld be have "cooldown time", it is destroying game.

[kk28718015]

Infinite focus is not problem, that is ok, the real problem is you can use the powerful
skill over and over again immediately, it is destroying game, the DPS is unreal, and
even boss echo knight easy down or frozen can't move. That is not a build, that is a
design problem, they should fix it, give defferent cooldwn time for defferent skill.

It is a soul-like game, not a game you only need press one button, and enemy all
died.

[The Tear Collector]

I kinda agree. Depending on your build the game boils down to a special move spam, like many others ARPGs. I'd prefer if the focus stayed on dodge/parry/attack with the occasional special move if there's an opening.

Still, all those fancy overpowered builds are kinda fun though. Being this powerful is a great reward for a good build.

I don't know how you could balance this..

[Rocker]

Yes. As soon as I inserted the fire throwing skill into the weapon, strong mobs immediately began to one-shot. it's not even interesting.

[K. Hauzer]

Originally posted by kk28718015:

Infinite focus is not problem, that is ok, the real problem is you can use the powerful
skill over and over again immediately, it is destroying game, the DPS is unreal, and
even boss echo knight easy down or frozen can't move. That is not a build, that is a
design problem, they should fix it, give defferent cooldwn time for defferent skill.

It is a soul-like game, not a game you only need press one button, and enemy all
died.

Yes, i told the devs exat the same thing

[Jaank]

Originally posted by Rocker:

Yes. As soon as I inserted the fire throwing skill into the weapon, strong mobs immediately began to one-shot. it's not even interesting.

can you put the fire throw in any weapon?

[K. Hauzer]

Originally posted by Jaank:

Originally posted by Rocker:

Yes. As soon as I inserted the fire throwing skill into the weapon, strong mobs immediately began to one-shot. it's not even interesting.

can you put the fire throw in any weapon?

No

[Aya x Kru]

Originally posted by kk28718015:

Infinite focus is not problem, that is ok, the real problem is you can use the powerful
skill over and over again immediately, it is destroying game, the DPS is unreal, and
even boss echo knight easy down or frozen can't move. That is not a build, that is a
design problem, they should fix it, give defferent cooldwn time for defferent skill.

It is a soul-like game, not a game you only need press one button, and enemy all
died.

I agree with this. I am one of those people who enjoy the challenge of not having to feel like some isekai god, by spamming the most broken skills.. Most vids I am seeing where people play like ♥♥♥♥, but spam skills in order to win. Yes you read that right. like ♥♥♥♥. It's sad, really. Doesn't show real skill just abuse of a system that still needs a lot of work. Again once that is fixed the abusers will still be ♥♥♥♥!

[Lyrel]

Originally posted by kk28718015:

Infinite focus is not problem, that is ok

no it's not ok. and that is exactly the problem. Focus should not be an infinite ressource. And thus causes the skill spam.

Look how elden ring handles this. Spells and skills are strong there too but the fact you use FP to cast them limits them in a meaningful way.

[K. Hauzer]

Originally posted by Lyrel:

Originally posted by kk28718015:

Infinite focus is not problem, that is ok

no it's not ok. and that is exactly the problem. Focus should not be an infinite ressource. And thus causes the skill spam.

Look how elden ring handles this. Spells and skills are strong there too but the fact you use FP to cast them limits them in a meaningful way.

And how exactly does ER handle this lol?))) SuperDuper beam one shot kill malenia and all other bosses with zero mana consuption with some preparation? U r saying thats a handeling ?)))

[kk28718015]

Originally posted by Lyrel:

Originally posted by kk28718015:

Infinite focus is not problem, that is ok

no it's not ok. and that is exactly the problem. Focus should not be an infinite ressource. And thus causes the skill spam.

Look how elden ring handles this. Spells and skills are strong there too but the fact you use FP to cast them limits them in a meaningful way.

Blance focus is very hard, cooldown time is the easy way

[Dan]

Rune skills need to be looked over entirely. No one should be one shotting anything with their rune skills, and then to be able to infinitely spam them with limit less cd and no cd on focus pot chugging?

Reduce the damage on almost 99% of the rune skills, give them all cool downs, give focus and food extended cd's as well. Look over "focus gain on hit, regen" etc because no, players shouldn't only be using focus skills and nothing else, defeats the entire purpose of combat and the game actually offering any semblance of difficulty.

Echo Knight and everything else is a joke in the game with limitless focus skill usage and limitless focus gains.

[Lyrel]

Originally posted by Hauzer:

Originally posted by Lyrel:

no it's not ok. and that is exactly the problem. Focus should not be an infinite ressource. And thus causes the skill spam.

Look how elden ring handles this. Spells and skills are strong there too but the fact you use FP to cast them limits them in a meaningful way.

And how exactly does ER handle this lol?))) SuperDuper beam one shot kill malenia and all other bosses with zero mana consuption with some preparation? U r saying thats a handeling ?)))

are there broken builds? sure. but oneshot builds appear in most souls games if people know the game in and out. apart from broken combinations what's your point? The System still stands and works as intended. You are not able to spam any spell ad infinitum. once you used all your flasks and remaining FP it's over.

an infinite ressource makes no sense what so ever. if you have an infinite amount of something you can literally remove it entirely. there's no point in having a requirement of something which does not run out in the first place.

[Lyrel]

Originally posted by kk28718015:

Blance focus is very hard, cooldown time is the easy way

Exactly because this is the easy solution it should not be the default way to go. infinite ressources don't make any sense. it should not be possible.

[K. Hauzer]

Originally posted by Lyrel:

Originally posted by Hauzer:

And how exactly does ER handle this lol?))) SuperDuper beam one shot kill malenia and all other bosses with zero mana consuption with some preparation? U r saying thats a handeling ?)))

are there broken builds? sure. but oneshot builds appear in most souls games if people know the game in and out. apart from broken combinations what's your point? The System still stands and works as intended. You are not able to spam any spell ad infinitum. once you used all your flasks and remaining FP it's over.

an infinite ressource makes no sense what so ever. if you have an infinite amount of something you can literally remove it entirely. there's no point in having a requirement of something which does not run out in the first place.

And what do u mean exactly by telling us that the ER has the best system of no spam? it is not.
U can obliterate every boss in the game without using any flask sip even.... so i dont uderstand u.
And before u say something u can use health as non stop spamming infinite ressourece as u say in ER =) if u didnt know

[K. Hauzer]

Originally posted by Dan:

Rune skills need to be looked over entirely. No one should be one shotting anything with their rune skills, and then to be able to infinitely spam them with limit less cd and no cd on focus pot chugging?

Reduce the damage on almost 99% of the rune skills, give them all cool downs, give focus and food extended cd's as well. Look over "focus gain on hit, regen" etc because no, players shouldn't only be using focus skills and nothing else, defeats the entire purpose of combat and the game actually offering any semblance of difficulty.

Echo Knight and everything else is a joke in the game with limitless focus skill usage and limitless focus gains.

Boss one shot - no. Regular mobs - yes. Late game build oneshot boss - yes. CD on skills - i think good idea. Focus rings - nerf i think. Focus gain - also nerf.

[Lyrel]

Originally posted by Hauzer:

And what do u mean exactly by telling us that the ER has the best system of no spam? it is not.
U can obliterate every boss in the game without using any flask sip even.... so i dont uderstand u.
And before u say something u can use health as non stop spamming infinite ressourece as u say in ER =) if u didnt know

First of all i never said "it has the best system of no spam" so don't put words in my mouth please.

but it still is an example of a system where you cannot use spells ad infinitum. i also never said that the damage you do with spells in ER is balanced or that it is perfect. put aside oneshot and broken builds for once and look at the system at it's core.

Again the point i make still stands. Infinite Ressources make no sense.