Item Duplication Vs. Co-op Multiplayer and Leaderboards

[Aemon-Oni]

How would you like to see the game develop going forward?

Granted, the devs have expressed interest in developing this game continuously over the next 5-10 years (they view it as their "Magnum Opus" - their own personal "Lord of the Rings").

Yet right now, you can duplicate items to get the perfect gear, unlimited crafting mats and unlock tonics. *Reference: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3233858106

At the same time, the devs have also expressed interest in adding co-op and competitive "leaderboards" along with the potential of other multiplayer features.

At the very least, there may be a wipe.. https://twitter.com/thomasmahler/status/1784813530769666441

But of course, seeing that NRFTW is primarily a single player game.. does any of this even matter?

StuffedPorkChop (@VisualFxx) had an interesting take on the situation.
"The game has no anti-cheat so people can cheat in items regardless of that dupe. Plus you invite who comes into your server, so you won't be getting randoms anyway. So if you wanted, could make sure everyone who joins does so on a new character.

While this game has online components, think of the game like Valheim/Palworld where you can dupe/cheat tons of stuff into single player AND bring it into multiplayer afterwards. With no anti-cheat, it's up to you to police your server, and again its invite only."

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Personally, while I think duplicating items is great in early access as it allows you to experiment with different builds and not be held back by shotty RNG (both in gathering crafting mats and enchanting gear).

At the same time, if players rely too hard on their dups. It'll prevent them from experiencing gameplay elements and formalizing many of their complaints.

Thus the game may suffer long term.

Thoughts?//

[SecretPotato]

Either they server side realms or characters or both. Prob just get ride of the back up realm idea altogether. They won't have a smooth ride with this PvP - PvP rank the way its set up now. And with no anti cheat program... But duping from inside your own items through your own chest without altering stats wouldn't be able to prove what you did. They should just focus on single player and maybe local co-op because this is the kind of mess to avoid.

[Aemon-Oni]

Originally posted by Koffee Guy:

Either they server side realms or characters or both. Prob just get ride of the back up realm idea altogether. They won't have a smooth ride with this PvP - PvP rank the way its set up now. And with no anti cheat program... But duping from inside your own items through your own chest without altering stats wouldn't be able to prove what you did. They should just focus on single player and maybe local co-op because this is the kind of mess to avoid.

In terms of PvP.. I wonder if it would be better if it was designed like Guild Wars 2 (Realm Vs Realm) - Where everyone is max level and everything is unlocked. Aiming for skill over grind.

I suppose they could also go the route of a MOBA like League of Legends where PvP is a map mode where everyone starts at Lv1 and they can do map objectives to increase level/buy gear/ect.

Or maybe combine the two?

IE: Guild Wars 2 (Hunger Games Edition): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgkLIB0GgaY

[SecretPotato]

Originally posted by Aemon-Oni:

Originally posted by Koffee Guy:

Either they server side realms or characters or both. Prob just get ride of the back up realm idea altogether. They won't have a smooth ride with this PvP - PvP rank the way its set up now. And with no anti cheat program... But duping from inside your own items through your own chest without altering stats wouldn't be able to prove what you did. They should just focus on single player and maybe local co-op because this is the kind of mess to avoid.

In terms of PvP.. I wonder if it would be better if it was designed like Guild Wars 2 (Realm Vs Realm) - Where everyone is max level and everything is unlocked. Aiming for skill over grind.

I suppose they could also go the route of a MOBA like League of Legends where PvP is a map mode where everyone starts at Lv1 and they can do map objectives to increase level/buy gear/ect.

Or maybe combine the two?

IE: Guild Wars 2 (Hunger Games Edition): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgkLIB0GgaY

I did enjoy GW2 and FFXIV pvp setups. but thing is This is a Unity engine. and right now how everything is set up I don't know gonna take a lot of work.

[SecretPotato]

Originally posted by Koffee Guy:

Originally posted by Aemon-Oni:

In terms of PvP.. I wonder if it would be better if it was designed like Guild Wars 2 (Realm Vs Realm) - Where everyone is max level and everything is unlocked. Aiming for skill over grind.

I suppose they could also go the route of a MOBA like League of Legends where PvP is a map mode where everyone starts at Lv1 and they can do map objectives to increase level/buy gear/ect.

Or maybe combine the two?

IE: Guild Wars 2 (Hunger Games Edition): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgkLIB0GgaY

I did enjoy GW2 and FFXIV pvp setups. but thing is This is a Unity engine. and right now how everything is set up I don't know gonna take a lot of work.

If this gets release without a wipe or any type of change. It takes that one person put up a modified character with BiS stats gems ect. save up on nexus and just need to replace or input your name in the txt doc and bam dupe all then hand it out and the plague has started and that will be the end of this series.

[Aemon-Oni]

Originally posted by Koffee Guy:

Originally posted by Koffee Guy:

I did enjoy GW2 and FFXIV pvp setups. but thing is This is a Unity engine. and right now how everything is set up I don't know gonna take a lot of work.

If this gets release without a wipe or any type of change. It takes that one person put up a modified character with BiS stats gems ect. save up on nexus and just need to replace or input your name in the txt doc and bam dupe all then hand it out and the plague has started and that will be the end of this series.

Indeed, tho.. that makes me think of Path of Exile.

I never participated in their "Leauges" but it looked like an interesting game mode centered around this kind of topic.

[SecretPotato]

Originally posted by Aemon-Oni:

Originally posted by Koffee Guy:

If this gets release without a wipe or any type of change. It takes that one person put up a modified character with BiS stats gems ect. save up on nexus and just need to replace or input your name in the txt doc and bam dupe all then hand it out and the plague has started and that will be the end of this series.

Indeed, tho.. that makes me think of Path of Exile.

I never participated in their "Leauges" but it looked like an interesting game mode centered around this kind of topic.

Server side saving is what keeping PoE alive tho. I waiting for PoE2 tho got into PoE late but will jump in 2 when that gets out

[みさかりん]

This has been going on for quite a while. If pvp and leader boards are going to be a part of this game then there will be a wipe almost certain and if wipe is they're answer to dupping then I am not not surprised why they have not address this yet and that's also the reason I stopped playing for now. When watching some builds on Youtube to not use your own mats, you wonder how they have, most of them, max value with their gem sockets when I always get either min or mid roll =D

[Aemon-Oni]

Originally posted by Koffee Guy:

Originally posted by Aemon-Oni:

Indeed, tho.. that makes me think of Path of Exile.

I never participated in their "Leauges" but it looked like an interesting game mode centered around this kind of topic.

Server side saving is what keeping PoE alive tho. I waiting for PoE2 tho got into PoE late but will jump in 2 when that gets out

Hmm.. so if PvP or Leaderboards were added to NRFTW, it would make sense to have them tied to Events of a similar nature.

Avoids the problem with dup/cheating.. but does it open the door to other problems?

[SecretPotato]

Originally posted by みさかりん:

This has been going on for quite a while. If pvp and leader boards are going to be a part of this game then there will be a wipe almost certain and if wipe is they're answer to dupping then I am not not surprised why they have not address this yet and that's also the reason I stopped playing for now. When watching some builds on Youtube to not use your own mats, you wonder how they have, most of them, max value with their gem sockets when I always get either min or mid roll =D

Like my staff lol https://imgur.com/a/6GwhZZv

[SecretPotato]

Originally posted by Aemon-Oni:

Originally posted by Koffee Guy:

Server side saving is what keeping PoE alive tho. I waiting for PoE2 tho got into PoE late but will jump in 2 when that gets out

Hmm.. so if PvP or Leaderboards were added to NRFTW, it would make sense to have them tied to Events of a similar nature.

Avoids the problem with dup/cheating.. but does it open the door to other problems?

I seen cheat engine and a trainer is already released for this game and who knows. I think they should just focus on the game in general performance wise. Bug fixes. Stat fixes. Map flaws. and prob introduce a server side stand alone character for their PvP events. And say 1.5 or so patch introduction. Have a feeling PvP was rushed in late same as co-op. The way inside the houses are laid out and maps out in the world and inside caves not that big. They say there was friendly fire ... and what about body collision? Just to small of a layout for up to 3 friends and yourself in this. IDK it's like a wait and see type deal and in EA games it's already decided really.

[Aemon-Oni]

Originally posted by Koffee Guy:

Originally posted by Aemon-Oni:

Hmm.. so if PvP or Leaderboards were added to NRFTW, it would make sense to have them tied to Events of a similar nature.

Avoids the problem with dup/cheating.. but does it open the door to other problems?

I seen cheat engine and a trainer is already released for this game

Really? That was fast.

Bit of a sidenote.. what're your thoughts on "enchants" being influenced by the gems it consumes?

One of the things that make the game a grind at the moment is how many tries it takes to get a decent set of perks on a single piece of gear. https://twitter.com/Aemon_Oni/status/1784058371806535716

[SecretPotato]

Originally posted by Aemon-Oni:

Originally posted by Koffee Guy:

I seen cheat engine and a trainer is already released for this game

Really? That was fast.

Bit of a sidenote.. what're your thoughts on "enchants" being influenced by the gems it consumes?

One of the things that make the game a grind at the moment is how many tries it takes to get a decent set of perks on a single piece of gear. https://twitter.com/Aemon_Oni/status/1784058371806535716

The whole chanting system to me is a joke. I just keep it base. I do just keep making the gear and weps with duped materials to get the best base stats then dupe the gems into gear with max stat. Like my wep https://imgur.com/a/6GwhZZv

Also with these stats the numbers don't add up with the rest of the gear. The stacking of gear chants gems are not working and out of place. In 6 years of dev this should have been in a cleaner state than what it is now.

[SecretPotato]

Just noticed your link. Did some documentation I see. Nice heavy work. I only compared 5 items of each started a google doc and just had enough of this system and said hell with this. Way too RNG.

[Kirei]

everything will be wiped before any multiplayer and fixed.

[SecretPotato]

Ea type of gear - Plate Mesh Leather Cloth should have more structural stats. Poise -Plate/Mesh, Overall Speed - Leather/Cloth, Focus Leather/Cloth, Stam Plate/Mesh ect... Same goes with types of weapons.