GRAVEN
Game ending
Im gonna be honest: complete garbage. I hate it when they left you in a cliffhanger.
Like "we'll surely make a sequel!!! Nothing bad can happen, right?!!!!"
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Vesperas Jan 28, 2024 @ 11:58pm 
I'm not sure if it was meant to setup a sequel.

To me, it seems like he was just going to continue traveling the world searching for his daughter while battling any evil he came across. His redemption came from being pardoned by the bishop and learning his daughter was still alive.

I could be wrong though. I didn't really understand the sacrifices or their motivation. I kind of had the impression it had something to do with some stuff referenced in an extremely well hidden book in the library basement but it never really came together in a coherent way.
Old Master Fudo Jan 29, 2024 @ 12:07am 
game has an amazing setting but the priest story is so poorly told honestly.
Delusional Lechuza Jan 29, 2024 @ 12:09am 
Originally posted by Vesperas:
I'm not sure if it was meant to setup a sequel.

To me, it seems like he was just going to continue traveling the world searching for his daughter while battling any evil he came across. His redemption came from being pardoned by the bishop and learning his daughter was still alive.

I could be wrong though. I didn't really understand the sacrifices or their motivation. I kind of had the impression it had something to do with some stuff referenced in an extremely well hidden book in the library basement but it never really came together in a coherent way.

In the ending cutscene its says like it didn't "earn his peace" yet since:
1. Its peace comes from helping people it seems.
2. Didn't found his daughter yet so it kinda didn't earn it yet because of that.

Idk it's weird as hell and for me it feels like it was setting up a sequel. If not, it's still bad since it doesn't give a sence of completion.
Last edited by Delusional Lechuza; Jan 29, 2024 @ 12:10am
Vesperas Jan 29, 2024 @ 1:22am 
It's certainly open to interpretation. I took it like this:

He kills a heretic (or fellow priest?) for killing his daughter, is found guilty of murder and sentenced to death through exile in the desert. With his daughter dead and his honor stripped from him, he makes peace with death since he has nothing left to live for. However, rather than being granted death, he's given a second chance in the form of the trials presented through the game, presumably by "the Creator."

From there, he redeems himself through his actions in the game. The bishop pardons him and tells him that his daughter actually survived, having been saved by a physician at the capital. AFAIK, you never visit the actual capital in-game.

The game ends with his honor restored and all wrongs made right. He still doesn't find his peace because he's since become absorbed with his quest to reunite with his daughter. It ends with him traveling to the capital to search for her while continuing to help others in service of "the Creator."

As I said before, there are some things in game (books / notes, mostly) that imply there might be more to the story but I wasn't able to make much sense of it.
Mr. No_Effs_Given Feb 6, 2024 @ 12:07pm 
Kinda sad though he doesn't find his daughter, but indeed its open for future entries. I would't mind an expansion with a lesser scope tbh. But i don't think the sales were good enough.
Traumaturgy Feb 7, 2024 @ 6:51am 
Sequel? Not gonna happen. This game is unfinished and rushed, and sold poorly. Possible sequel would sell even worse, as many people like myself are pissed off and not gonna buy anything from them ever again.
Originally posted by Traumaturgy:
Sequel? Not gonna happen. This game is unfinished and rushed, and sold poorly. Possible sequel would sell even worse, as many people like myself are pissed off and not gonna buy anything from them ever again.
Yeah, the rushed release was the nail in the coffin of this one, unfortunate. Should have stayed in the oven for a few more months for bug fixing.
DreadLurker Feb 7, 2024 @ 7:21am 
Originally posted by Mr. No_Effs_Given:
Originally posted by Traumaturgy:
Sequel? Not gonna happen. This game is unfinished and rushed, and sold poorly. Possible sequel would sell even worse, as many people like myself are pissed off and not gonna buy anything from them ever again.
Yeah, the rushed release was the nail in the coffin of this one, unfortunate. Should have stayed in the oven for a few more months for bug fixing.
it's not just the bugs the game itself is unfinished you can find alot of remnants of cut content and it's obvious from past information the scope of this game was much larger the bugs and unbalanced content just add on to the garbage pile it should have stayed in development for another year or so i imagine the higher ups said to release it now since the game was taking too long to develop along with wrath and it was damaging their rep so they ordered a release date because this game is 100% not finished in anyway
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Keeptrucking Feb 9, 2024 @ 4:20pm 
Originally posted by dredhedlurker:
Originally posted by Mr. No_Effs_Given:
Yeah, the rushed release was the nail in the coffin of this one, unfortunate. Should have stayed in the oven for a few more months for bug fixing.
it's not just the bugs the game itself is unfinished you can find alot of remnants of cut content and it's obvious from past information the scope of this game was much larger the bugs and unbalanced content just add on to the garbage pile it should have stayed in development for another year or so i imagine the higher ups said to release it now since the game was taking too long to develop along with wrath and it was damaging their rep so they ordered a release date because this game is 100% not finished in anyway
"not finished in any way" What? For some people its like if the glass is half empty, the glass is damned well all the way empty. lol

Having just completed the game I was curious if I might have missed the daughter. It's a shame you don't really get to wrap that story up, or that it doesn't relate to what you're doing at the very end.
Vesperas Feb 9, 2024 @ 10:12pm 
Originally posted by Keeptrucking:
"not finished in any way" What? For some people its like if the glass is half empty, the glass is damned well all the way empty. lol

Having just completed the game I was curious if I might have missed the daughter. It's a shame you don't really get to wrap that story up, or that it doesn't relate to what you're doing at the very end.

Agreed. The plot is developed enough to move the story forward but it certainly has a lot of loose ends, mostly when it comes to the overall exposition.

There's a well-hidden book in the library basement detailing the crown but I'm not sure how it relates to anything. The scattered notes you locate provide some narrative behind the infected, shivering dead, etc., but I'm not sure how they're meant to be related through the chapters.

It was never really clear to me what was going on with the sacrifices, much less who performed them. It's possible I missed something important but it was never clear to me what the actual goal of the cult was or how it related to the priest, which is why I just assumed it was a trial for the priest.
Mothvibe Feb 10, 2024 @ 12:23am 
Thank you so much for this thread.

There's no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ way in hell I'm putting myself through this games 'use a staff for the first 10 hours'-ass story.

Every single review I watched made this game look like a medieval shooter with a half-baked melee system. I find instead it's a half-baked medieval shooter that relies WAY too heavily on the staff for the first few *hours*.

HOURS.

And even if there's some quicker way of doing it, who cares? First impression's been ruined now.

Why bother even playing more?

So I can get the fire tome? Do you mean the fire tome that so weak you can't use it in combat? THAT fire tome?

I should get the fire tome so I can continue to *checks notes* HIT THINGS WITH A STICK?

'sounds like a skill issue'

I'm no slouch or noob. Back in the day, I finished Hexen, the expansions, and Hexen 2. HEXEN 2. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW UNFAIR THAT GAMES PUZZLES ARE? I know my ♥♥♥♥.

I am clearly in the target demographic for the game. So why can't I enjoy it?

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I was going to push through for the story. Thanks to this thread, I have instead 'chosen to reclaim some hard drive space' instead.

The gameworld is interesting but the game itself does everything it can to appear boring, a goal its achieved quite gloriously. I'd hoped the story might make up for it. Looks like the story was taken as seriously as the early-game pacing: Not at all.
Keeptrucking Feb 10, 2024 @ 1:51am 
Originally posted by Lucky:
Thank you so much for this thread.

There's no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ way in hell I'm putting myself through this games 'use a staff for the first 10 hours'-ass story.

Every single review I watched made this game look like a medieval shooter with a half-baked melee system. I find instead it's a half-baked medieval shooter that relies WAY too heavily on the staff for the first few *hours*.

HOURS.

And even if there's some quicker way of doing it, who cares? First impression's been ruined now.

Why bother even playing more?

So I can get the fire tome? Do you mean the fire tome that so weak you can't use it in combat? THAT fire tome?

I should get the fire tome so I can continue to *checks notes* HIT THINGS WITH A STICK?

'sounds like a skill issue'

I'm no slouch or noob. Back in the day, I finished Hexen, the expansions, and Hexen 2. HEXEN 2. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW UNFAIR THAT GAMES PUZZLES ARE? I know my ♥♥♥♥.

I am clearly in the target demographic for the game. So why can't I enjoy it?

-------------------

I was going to push through for the story. Thanks to this thread, I have instead 'chosen to reclaim some hard drive space' instead.

The gameworld is interesting but the game itself does everything it can to appear boring, a goal its achieved quite gloriously. I'd hoped the story might make up for it. Looks like the story was taken as seriously as the early-game pacing: Not at all.

It's a shame that the main thread of the story isn't really laid out, but I loved the way they tell you through the environments what the cult is doing: *SPOILERS!*

https://ibb.co/6JFFyyK
https://ibb.co/R7Lhnsz
https://ibb.co/Br55QjC
https://ibb.co/qBZK6tH
Vesperas Feb 10, 2024 @ 2:20am 
Originally posted by Lucky:
Thank you so much for this thread.

There's no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ way in hell I'm putting myself through this games 'use a staff for the first 10 hours'-ass story.

Every single review I watched made this game look like a medieval shooter with a half-baked melee system. I find instead it's a half-baked medieval shooter that relies WAY too heavily on the staff for the first few *hours*.

HOURS.

Considering this thread is about the ending to the game and story, it's probably safe to say that people know how the game begins. :happy_yeti:

Personally, I hardly ever used the staff outside of puzzles / breaking barriers. It uses too much stamina and doesn't even become semi-viable until you locate the resonating gem several hours into the game. Even then, it's really only effective for knocking the heads off of the infected when you're only facing a few at a time.

Meanwhile, you're given the cuff arrow and sword much earlier than you would have in early access. Point is, you only have to use the staff for the Lice Slough, so 10-30 minutes, not hours.
Originally posted by Keeptrucking:
Originally posted by Lucky:
Thank you so much for this thread.

There's no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ way in hell I'm putting myself through this games 'use a staff for the first 10 hours'-ass story.

Every single review I watched made this game look like a medieval shooter with a half-baked melee system. I find instead it's a half-baked medieval shooter that relies WAY too heavily on the staff for the first few *hours*.

HOURS.

And even if there's some quicker way of doing it, who cares? First impression's been ruined now.

Why bother even playing more?

So I can get the fire tome? Do you mean the fire tome that so weak you can't use it in combat? THAT fire tome?

I should get the fire tome so I can continue to *checks notes* HIT THINGS WITH A STICK?

'sounds like a skill issue'

I'm no slouch or noob. Back in the day, I finished Hexen, the expansions, and Hexen 2. HEXEN 2. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW UNFAIR THAT GAMES PUZZLES ARE? I know my ♥♥♥♥.

I am clearly in the target demographic for the game. So why can't I enjoy it?

-------------------

I was going to push through for the story. Thanks to this thread, I have instead 'chosen to reclaim some hard drive space' instead.

The gameworld is interesting but the game itself does everything it can to appear boring, a goal its achieved quite gloriously. I'd hoped the story might make up for it. Looks like the story was taken as seriously as the early-game pacing: Not at all.

It's a shame that the main thread of the story isn't really laid out, but I loved the way they tell you through the environments what the cult is doing: *SPOILERS!*

https://ibb.co/6JFFyyK
https://ibb.co/R7Lhnsz
https://ibb.co/Br55QjC
https://ibb.co/qBZK6tH

Gonna make myself clear just in case: I do love its story telling elements, like seen in these photos. I just hate the ending.
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