Is this game ever coming back to the store?

[killbot5555678]

Just curious noticed Myth of Empires just before it was ripped from the store. Might have bought it but now i simply can't, anyone know what the status is?

[Selizius]

it probably wont be sold here anymore. but moe gives a ♥♥♥♥. they sell the game on their own website if you are interested in buying. if you do, let me know. i need more players in my guild =). also a huge advantage for you to have fun in the game^^

[DreadCthulhu]

Myth of Empires was removed from Steam due to a DMCA claim from Snail Games/Wildcard, allegeing that it contains source code stolen from their game Ark: Survival Evolved, via a former employee. Angela Games (MOE's parent company) has filed a lawsuit to put the game back on Steam, but so far the court systems have denied them any tempory injunctions for relief; citing that Snail Games has provided a "plethora of circumstantial evidence" for copying, while Angelas Games has not really provided any counter evidence. Snail Games has filed counter lawsuits back at Angela Games, and Tencent (which is handling some server stuff for the game, IIRC).

Both companies have been ordered by the judge to submit their source code for third party review; checking up on things, as of March 14th the court has selected Robert Zeidman, head of a software consulting company, to be the third party checking the source code. Zeidman is widely credited with inventing software forensics, so probably a good choice. We will have to wait for his company to finish its analysis & the court case to finish before we know if the game will go back onto Steam or not.

[Zalzany]

Right now, its still no verdict, like Dread said some one has to look at it, and find enough evidance of the claims from snail, but with how coding works its gonna be "intresting" and take some time a a lot of code to check, and its not uncommon for coders to google when stumped for help or tips on how to fix things, so don't want that job ever lol

[StankFoot]

This game was probably stolen. Also, it is not worth it as I am 90% sure they were using my gpu to farm crypto. When you install and play this game your gpu idles at 100% usage. The game was fun, it is just a shame that human garbage developed it. However, that is modern China. Their society promotes theft and discourages creativity, meaning that they can copy and reproduce anything. However, when it comes to creating something unique, they just do not have the right societal mind set to achieve this. Consider yourself lucky, you are not missing much.

[Whiplash711]

Originally posted by StankFoot:

This game was probably stolen. Also, it is not worth it as I am 90% sure they were using my gpu to farm crypto. When you install and play this game your gpu idles at 100% usage.

Are you really that uneducated about your PC that you would even think this?

I guess there are a lot of games using my pc to Farm Crypto, as a lot of them work my CPU to 100%.

Or it could be just that I had an old 1060 and that is how hard it had to work? I wonder which makes more sense in the end?

Kid there is a lot of things you need to learn about in the world. One is Slander such as yours can get you in a heap of trouble.

[Whiplash711]

Originally posted by StankFoot:

If you can name one thing that modern china has created that is unique to them, I will buy you a $10 game on steam. They are leeches, sucking out creativity from other nations and soullessly reproducing it in the cheapest way possible, that is modern china. An illusion of industry.

The very company sueing this company is a Chinese company!!! OMG, do people ever know what they are talking about before they start typing? Kids today really that ignorant? I would suggest you go do some reading on the subjects talked about in this forum before you type anymore. Ignorance just causes more issues.

[JJWolf]

I find it hard to believe it will make it back to Steam. The real story is detailed here: https://www.pcgamer.com/au/myth-of-empires-developer-files-a-lawsuit-to-get-it-back-on-steam/

TLDR:

The most interesting statement, though, comes from Suter, the CEO of BattlEye Innovations, whose BattlEye anti-cheat technology sees use in such games as PUBG, Destiny 2, Rainbow Six Siege, Fortnite, and others—including Ark: Survival Evolved. Suter, who said he became aware of the issue "independently" after reading about it on PC Gamer, decided to take a quick look into it and "immediately found convincing evidence in Myth of Empires that copying of source code from Ark (or related Wildcard games) must have taken place.

"Myth of Empires' executable contained several unique strings used by BattlEye integration code, which are also present in Ark," Suter explained. "There are some slight changes to some of those strings, but those mostly consist of changing 'BattlEye' to 'BatEye' in almost all BattlEye references through the game."

This is significant, because BattlEye integration code is created by the developers of individual games, not BattlEye itself, and so that code is unique for each game.

"The fact that some of the strings used by BattlEye integration code that we located in Myth of Empires are extremely unique and use the same format, capitalization, and even typos ('recieve' instead of 'receive') that were included in the BattlEye integration code for Ark left no doubt for me that the BattlEye integration code from Ark must have been copied and taken as a base for Myth of Empires," Suter said.

Suter said his conclusion was confirmed when he revealed his findings to Stieglitz, who then shared Studio Wildcard's own findings of identical BattlEye-related code in Myth of Empires.

[Zalzany]

Originally posted by StankFoot:

If you can name one thing that modern china has created that is unique to them, I will buy you a $10 game on steam. They are leeches, sucking out creativity from other nations and soullessly reproducing it in the cheapest way possible, that is modern china. An illusion of industry.

Unique and stolen are not same game, and its Chinese company company saying they stole it lol. So if you don't trust chinese, your kind of screwed on this one as one is saying its stolen with rather weak evidence, other is saying its not. Snail can't see the source code to know its stolen just saw it had "terms" in bits of public code there are that are common for genre. This isn't proof of theft in court of law though, could just be they were "inspired or many other things.

Guy judge got to look at both games source code under NDA as neither company is legally allowed to peek at other source code for obvious reasons. So till that guy finishes and says yes or no in his opinion your just talking out your ass spewing racist crap lol.

[Zalzany]

Originally posted by JJWolf:

I find it hard to believe it will make it back to Steam. The real story is detailed here: https://www.pcgamer.com/au/myth-of-empires-developer-files-a-lawsuit-to-get-it-back-on-steam/

TLDR:

The most interesting statement, though, comes from Suter, the CEO of BattlEye Innovations, whose BattlEye anti-cheat technology sees use in such games as PUBG, Destiny 2, Rainbow Six Siege, Fortnite, and others—including Ark: Survival Evolved. Suter, who said he became aware of the issue "independently" after reading about it on PC Gamer, decided to take a quick look into it and "immediately found convincing evidence in Myth of Empires that copying of source code from Ark (or related Wildcard games) must have taken place.

"Myth of Empires' executable contained several unique strings used by BattlEye integration code, which are also present in Ark," Suter explained. "There are some slight changes to some of those strings, but those mostly consist of changing 'BattlEye' to 'BatEye' in almost all BattlEye references through the game."

This is significant, because BattlEye integration code is created by the developers of individual games, not BattlEye itself, and so that code is unique for each game.

"The fact that some of the strings used by BattlEye integration code that we located in Myth of Empires are extremely unique and use the same format, capitalization, and even typos ('recieve' instead of 'receive') that were included in the BattlEye integration code for Ark left no doubt for me that the BattlEye integration code from Ark must have been copied and taken as a base for Myth of Empires," Suter said.

Suter said his conclusion was confirmed when he revealed his findings to Stieglitz, who then shared Studio Wildcard's own findings of identical BattlEye-related code in Myth of Empires.

Yet again still not enough, if it was as open and shut as you snail employees claim guy would already finsihed and said its stolen. They gave both codes to the guy on 14th and he still can't say its stolen or not. I mean its not uncommon with code to recycle ♥♥♥♥ or google publically seen bits of code and use it as example. The proof is "terms" for some variables are the similiar. I am in programming class right now I bet my code I submit on my assignments and half the other students is "similiar" in how we name variables lol.

Innocent till proven guilty children, this is all taking place in US court of law, so till soem one can prove anything not just speculate its just that speculation. PC gamer didn't have either games source code lol Snail can't possibly legally seen their source code. Its just speculation they stole, based on the bits they could see. But meanwhile a forisnic coder has to read thousands upon thousands of lines of code and make a real assesment. So unless you got both games source code, and are profesional I don't give a ♥♥♥♥ what snail paid you to do. Just PC gamer sells out all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time you pay then enough they publish anything lol

[FPStewy]

In more simple term.

1- Guy/Girl woks for Company A makes hammer with workbench.
2- Guy/Girl gets fired because Company A didn't like hammer being done.
3- Guy/Girl gets hired by Company B to make similar hammer on diff workbench.
4- Company A gets angry at Company B for making very good hammer
5- Company A sues Company B alleging theft of workmanship of Guy/Girl
6- Company B says hammer made on different workbench but same Guy/Girl
7- Company A trolls flood Company A social for making better hammer.
8- Repeat Step 5 and 7 daily with innuendo, misinformation and sarcasm.

[Zalzany]

Originally posted by #FPStewy:

In more simple term.

1- Guy/Girl woks for Company A makes hammer with workbench.
2- Guy/Girl gets fired because Company A didn't like hammer being done.
3- Guy/Girl gets hired by Company B to make similar hammer on diff workbench.
4- Company A gets angry at Company B for making very good hammer
5- Company A sues Company B alleging theft of workmanship of Guy/Girl
6- Company B says hammer made on different workbench but same Guy/Girl
7- Company A trolls flood Company A social for making better hammer.
8- Repeat Step 5 and 7 daily with innuendo, misinformation and sarcasm.

This in a nutshell. How coding also works, people going "it looks similar!" Many game employees will swap companies multiple time, pass on knowledge so at lot people pick up same habbits, and like I said every I met in coding will admit with out hesitating when in doubt google for help and look at other peoples publicly shared code for help, or hit up others for help.

This creates ton of "similarities" people going "how can that be!" Well guy who works on code all day long gets use to it, so when works on new projects code uses similar terms for their code. That is they whole claim to a case is terms in the publically shown code are "too similiar" other then that its same genre. But honestly its got more in common with conan then Ark, thank they didn't hire a disgruntled Funcom employee or that lawsuit might have more traction lol

I mean I did it with my home work in pythong class not copy past the code, but when my code kept giving me errors, I searched and found hundreds of hits for lessons on exactly what my teacher did with example codes on how to do it, and used them to fix my code lol Wenr "oh yeah I put that in diffrent spot, or didn't type that part write, that is why I keep getting error code, move that line here, error code gone! Oh wait new error code but for completely different line of code, progress!"

[Krieger]

Originally posted by DreadCthulhu:

Myth of Empires was removed from Steam due to a DMCA claim from Snail Games/Wildcard, allegeing that it contains source code stolen from their game Ark: Survival Evolved, via a former employee. Angela Games (MOE's parent company) has filed a lawsuit to put the game back on Steam, but so far the court systems have denied them any tempory injunctions for relief; citing that Snail Games has provided a "plethora of circumstantial evidence" for copying, while Angelas Games has not really provided any counter evidence. Snail Games has filed counter lawsuits back at Angela Games, and Tencent (which is handling some server stuff for the game, IIRC).

Both companies have been ordered by the judge to submit their source code for third party review; checking up on things, as of March 14th the court has selected Robert Zeidman, head of a software consulting company, to be the third party checking the source code. Zeidman is widely credited with inventing software forensics, so probably a good choice. We will have to wait for his company to finish its analysis & the court case to finish before we know if the game will go back onto Steam or not.

see though i find it hard to believe they stole source code because their game actually works

[killbot5555678]

So in other words this games a dumpster fire? XD

[Whiplash711]

Originally posted by killbot5555678:

So in other words this games a dumpster fire? XD

No it is not a dumpster fire. This is a good quality game for where it is in development. Snail/Wildcard are likely causing issues for it because Ark 2 is set to release soon. This game will give Ark 2 a run for it's money.
You would do yourself a huge justice to not believe what Steam users (including me) tell you and go read for yourself. The lawsuit is falling apart. The official server provider has been dropped out of the lawsuit and so there are now official NA servers again. This should start to tell you a few things right there.
Many Steam users like to troll the forums with false information. Some perhaps work for Snail as propaganda is how countries like China control things. It is up to you to learn the facts or remain ignorant like the trolls feeding you information.

[killbot5555678]

Originally posted by Whiplash711:

Originally posted by killbot5555678:

So in other words this games a dumpster fire? XD

No it is not a dumpster fire. This is a good quality game for where it is in development. Snail/Wildcard are likely causing issues for it because Ark 2 is set to release soon. This game will give Ark 2 a run for it's money.
You would do yourself a huge justice to not believe what Steam users (including me) tell you and go read for yourself. The lawsuit is falling apart. The official server provider has been dropped out of the lawsuit and so there are now official NA servers again. This should start to tell you a few things right there.
Many Steam users like to troll the forums with false information. Some perhaps work for Snail as propaganda is how countries like China control things. It is up to you to learn the facts or remain ignorant like the trolls feeding you information.

Fair enough ik reviews and forums can be littered with trolls although i likely will just move on to something else instead of researching a title lol