any benefit of using Jemusi related stuff?

[Soldner42]

Like, why should i choose the more difficult and much more time consuming Way for lets say the Oak Wood compared to the Normal wood?
Also, with a Normal Truck i can haul more Wood and the Longer Logs, which give more Planks per Log compared to Oak.
Normal Log = 4 Planks
Oak Log = 2 Planks

And Moneywise i couldnt spot a difference.
Even worse are the dedicated Trucks that can haul even less than the Jemusi Semi with Trailers.

Sooo... whats about that all?

I also hauled Coal with the Jemusi Semi, and time consuming is an understatement.
It takes ages to arrive at the Mine and to go back to Normal Roads again.
And lets not Talk about all the Buggy stuff, as in my Trailer dettaching itself and flying trough the Air and ofcourse the constant use of the Winch which is just tedious at some Point.
The first Run was Fun, the second and all followup Runs are a horrible experience tbh. Not Fun.
And 150K for one Run, might seem like much, but in that Time one could have hauled other goods way more comfortable with pretty much the same outcome.

Am i doing something wrong, or am i missing something?
I really dont get it.
I appreciate the new Trucks, but abroad from Jemusi they have no use and are very specific.

[NorthHopper]

Dumpy is best for coal rn (at least if you drive without autoshift) with Jemusi Semi being the hardest, which generally that kind of route would be more for rigid frame trucks rather than a semi and trailer arrangement, so this makes sense. There's also Jemusi Dump which is the easiest. The Jemusi variants make sense in some situations imo. For hauling fuel to places like Migeum Oak 3 or the coal mine, it will climb over just about anything. And you won't be getting a full sized semi truck into either of those places without spending a lot of time. So they have a certain purpose, but you need to know when to use them to get the most out of them.

Also, if you intend on doing the coal job more often, I recommend buying a Campy and putting it at the parking spot at the construction site that's outside of the coal mine area. This greatly reduces the length of the trip in. I do this route as my main grind and it takes probably 25-30 mins from TPing to the Campy to being out of the harder dirt area, after which you can just autopilot if you feel like.

Also, considering you were able to complete runs, I'm assuming you were using the locking differentials and everything, but just in case you weren't, make sure to use those too.

[boris.glevrk]

I have a vague impression that oak log counts are illegitimately reduced and would/should be buffed in the future... don't quote me on that, not entirely sure.

[hitman_2]

The coal route is tedious and needs very strong nerves or lack of such. Using the jemusi semi is fun and in some cases more productive by range. Running it with the big boys semitrailers works well enough. Some more dedicated trailers will be welcomed, but we will see if the wind blows in the right direction.
I was one of them nutheads that wanted some offroading and trailing and such, but now seeing how the coal mine is, i dont think i had exactly that kind of offroading in mind.

[NorthHopper]

Originally posted by hitman_2:

The coal route is tedious and needs very strong nerves or lack of such. Using the jemusi semi is fun and in some cases more productive by range. Running it with the big boys semitrailers works well enough. Some more dedicated trailers will be welcomed, but we will see if the wind blows in the right direction.
I was one of them nutheads that wanted some offroading and trailing and such, but now seeing how the coal mine is, i dont think i had exactly that kind of offroading in mind.

A route like the coal mine would typically only be served by rigid frame trucks anyway, so imo it serves its purpose quite well. Try it with the Dumpy, it's way more manageable and actually fun as a challenge. Some hills you won't make it over the first time, even after doing the route tens or even hundreds of times. But you can make it over all of them with the right technique.

[hitman_2]

Originally posted by NorthHopper:

Originally posted by hitman_2:

The coal route is tedious and needs very strong nerves or lack of such. Using the jemusi semi is fun and in some cases more productive by range. Running it with the big boys semitrailers works well enough. Some more dedicated trailers will be welcomed, but we will see if the wind blows in the right direction.
I was one of them nutheads that wanted some offroading and trailing and such, but now seeing how the coal mine is, i dont think i had exactly that kind of offroading in mind.

A route like the coal mine would typically only be served by rigid frame trucks anyway, so imo it serves its purpose quite well. Try it with the Dumpy, it's way more manageable and actually fun as a challenge. Some hills you won't make it over the first time, even after doing the route tens or even hundreds of times. But you can make it over all of them with the right technique.

I did my part of testing and doing and i still dont like how this one part was executed.
Yes dump trucks have the upper hand - only because the tire physics do weird stuff under heavy loads. No street dump truck (the one we have cuz no offroad tires) should be able to manage the hills that we have there. "Cheap tricks" that "hide" something bad or not yet improved do not coun as fixes (you know that too) but temporary patches that should be looked at and be reworked.

[Soldner42]

What i ask myself is, how is one supposed to do the Coal Route with a Dumpy that lacks AWD and Lockable differential?
Doing that Route with the Jemusi Semi is doable, its just tedious at some Points.
When its upgreaded you can try to speed up quite much before trying to climb some Passages, and it works mostly quite well.
But even when empty, i wasnt able to climb the last part of the Route, you know, the steeply angled Part with any Jemusi. I always had to Lock all Wheels and use AWD and a Winch, otherwise i wasnt able to climb it.
Im asking myself how a Dumpy is supposed to climb that without any of the mentioned Features, and even worse, how to climb such stuff while being fully loaded?

[NorthHopper]

Originally posted by hitman_2:

Originally posted by NorthHopper:

A route like the coal mine would typically only be served by rigid frame trucks anyway, so imo it serves its purpose quite well. Try it with the Dumpy, it's way more manageable and actually fun as a challenge. Some hills you won't make it over the first time, even after doing the route tens or even hundreds of times. But you can make it over all of them with the right technique.

I did my part of testing and doing and i still dont like how this one part was executed.
Yes dump trucks have the upper hand - only because the tire physics do weird stuff under heavy loads. No street dump truck (the one we have cuz no offroad tires) should be able to manage the hills that we have there. "Cheap tricks" that "hide" something bad or not yet improved do not coun as fixes (you know that too) but temporary patches that should be looked at and be reworked.

I mean, even on the discord you kept suggesting that the tire physics were doing weird things, but with no data or hard evidence to back it up. I'm not saying you're wrong, but we need some hard numbers/evidence on this.

[NorthHopper]

Originally posted by Soldner42:

What i ask myself is, how is one supposed to do the Coal Route with a Dumpy that lacks AWD and Lockable differential?
Doing that Route with the Jemusi Semi is doable, its just tedious at some Points.
When its upgreaded you can try to speed up quite much before trying to climb some Passages, and it works mostly quite well.
But even when empty, i wasnt able to climb the last part of the Route, you know, the steeply angled Part with any Jemusi. I always had to Lock all Wheels and use AWD and a Winch, otherwise i wasnt able to climb it.
Im asking myself how a Dumpy is supposed to climb that without any of the mentioned Features, and even worse, how to climb such stuff while being fully loaded?

Do you use automatic shifting? It's perfectly doable in the Dumpy without AWD as long as you're driving it manual, if you know the vehicle well and have the gearing tuned appropriately, and no open diffs of course. I even made a YouTube video showing how I did the trail before it was changed to be easier. The Dumpy has really good weight distribution, which is the main problem with a semi truck doing a route like this. With the Dumpy, all of the weight is on the frame, but with something like the Jemusi Semi, most of the weight is focused on a single point near the back of the truck, but needs to be pulled because the trailer is attached by a fifth wheel, versus the Dumpy where a lot of the weight goes into pushing down on the truck instead. Think of it like trying to attach a rope to something and pulling it over your shoulder and dragging it along (Jemusi Semi) versus just putting it in a backpack and carrying it (Dumpy). I even did a rake/slant setup on my Dumpy to keep as much weight as possible shifted to the rear, making it even easier to do the hills once loaded with coal.

[Soldner42]

Originally posted by NorthHopper:

Originally posted by Soldner42:

What i ask myself is, how is one supposed to do the Coal Route with a Dumpy that lacks AWD and Lockable differential?
Doing that Route with the Jemusi Semi is doable, its just tedious at some Points.
When its upgreaded you can try to speed up quite much before trying to climb some Passages, and it works mostly quite well.
But even when empty, i wasnt able to climb the last part of the Route, you know, the steeply angled Part with any Jemusi. I always had to Lock all Wheels and use AWD and a Winch, otherwise i wasnt able to climb it.
Im asking myself how a Dumpy is supposed to climb that without any of the mentioned Features, and even worse, how to climb such stuff while being fully loaded?

Do you use automatic shifting? It's perfectly doable in the Dumpy without AWD as long as you're driving it manual, if you know the vehicle well and have the gearing tuned appropriately, and no open diffs of course. I even made a YouTube video showing how I did the trail before it was changed to be easier. The Dumpy has really good weight distribution, which is the main problem with a semi truck doing a route like this. With the Dumpy, all of the weight is on the frame, but with something like the Jemusi Semi, most of the weight is focused on a single point near the back of the truck, but needs to be pulled because the trailer is attached by a fifth wheel, versus the Dumpy where a lot of the weight goes into pushing down on the truck instead. Think of it like trying to attach a rope to something and pulling it over your shoulder and dragging it along (Jemusi Semi) versus just putting it in a backpack and carrying it (Dumpy). I even did a rake/slant setup on my Dumpy to keep as much weight as possible shifted to the rear, making it even easier to do the hills once loaded with coal.

Yeah, most of the time i use Auto Shift, mostly because i play Motortown to chill a little bit.
I only use the Hold Gera function sometimes, mostly on these new Routes are simply when my Big Rig has Problems going around Corners or climbing something.

What would you say is better, the Dumpy or the Jemusi with the "Dumper Frame"?

Also, can you show how you Tuned your Dumpy so i can try the Route with mine as well, just without the frustration of having to try everything out for Hours. :D

[NorthHopper]

Originally posted by Soldner42:

Originally posted by NorthHopper:

Do you use automatic shifting? It's perfectly doable in the Dumpy without AWD as long as you're driving it manual, if you know the vehicle well and have the gearing tuned appropriately, and no open diffs of course. I even made a YouTube video showing how I did the trail before it was changed to be easier. The Dumpy has really good weight distribution, which is the main problem with a semi truck doing a route like this. With the Dumpy, all of the weight is on the frame, but with something like the Jemusi Semi, most of the weight is focused on a single point near the back of the truck, but needs to be pulled because the trailer is attached by a fifth wheel, versus the Dumpy where a lot of the weight goes into pushing down on the truck instead. Think of it like trying to attach a rope to something and pulling it over your shoulder and dragging it along (Jemusi Semi) versus just putting it in a backpack and carrying it (Dumpy). I even did a rake/slant setup on my Dumpy to keep as much weight as possible shifted to the rear, making it even easier to do the hills once loaded with coal.

Yeah, most of the time i use Auto Shift, mostly because i play Motortown to chill a little bit.
I only use the Hold Gera function sometimes, mostly on these new Routes are simply when my Big Rig has Problems going around Corners or climbing something.

What would you say is better, the Dumpy or the Jemusi with the "Dumper Frame"?

Also, can you show how you Tuned your Dumpy so i can try the Route with mine as well, just without the frustration of having to try everything out for Hours. :D

Jemusi Dump is by far the easiest to use, I could do pretty much the entire route in 4H mode with it, not even needing 4L or 6L. But, it has a much lower capacity (I think it's only 6, maybe 7). Imo the Dumpy is best for the job, but like I said, if you're using auto shifting you're not gonna have a good time with the Dumpy or Jemusi Semi, and are probably better off using the Jemusi Dump just because of that alone.

As for my Dumpy tune, if you are on the public test branch with the new tune workshop feature, I have uploaded it there and it can be downloaded and applied directly in-game. Just go to a garage in the Dumpy, choose "Browse", and look for #574 (which is my tune that I uploaded).

[hitman_2]

My "hard" evidence is not needed because i wrote something similar to:
Dumpy has more power and can gain more speed (relative to jemusi) when empty so no problem climbing.
When loaded its tyres act like a dragster slicks and glue themseves to the surface (that on itself is "magic") and having good low gears on top of that will get you climbing over the most of the hills in the game (unless there is grass that "kills" your grip/traction on contact).

[NorthHopper]

Originally posted by hitman_2:

My "hard" evidence is not needed because i wrote something similar to:
Dumpy has more power and can gain more speed (relative to jemusi) when empty so no problem climbing.
When loaded its tyres act like a dragster slicks and glue themseves to the surface (that on itself is "magic") and having good low gears on top of that will get you climbing over the most of the hills in the game (unless there is grass that "kills" your grip/traction on contact).

No offense, but you basically just said "I don't need hard evidence because I have this anecdotal evidence", which isn't really how things work. We need quantitative values. Llama spent lots of time during private testing at tracks with the aerodynamics and provided lap times and numbers to back up his results, just as an example. I've spun my Dumpy tires when loaded trying to get up a hill too, and I still don't think your anecdotal evidence takes into consideration that the Dumpy has really good weight distribution compared to the Jemusi Semi + trailer, which could be another reason tires grip so well for it. The Maity is the same. Also if you're having trouble getting up to speed in the Jemusi Semi, you might wanna take a look at your rear end gearing. I made two or three changes before I finally got it in a spot where I could comfortably climb the hills and get enough speed in the run-ups.

[Aldrenean]

Jemusi with max engine can't even make it 200m into the oak logging track. The dirt roads in this game need a serious rebalance.

[RaccunaMatata]

Originally posted by Aldrenean:

Jemusi with max engine can't even make it 200m into the oak logging track. The dirt roads in this game need a serious rebalance.

You must be missing something. I have the Jemusi semi and dump trailer and the jemusi dumptruck and have put several hundred thousand in upgrades on both but they breeze up and down the coal trail especially the lighter all in one dumptruck. Go into the co trol panel and make sure you have it set in 6L locked. Make sure youre hitting the steepest hills with decent speed, at least 20mph and hold circle or b on controller or left shift on keyboard to lock yourself into 5th gear during the climb. If you have less speed going in try to atleast lock yourself into 3rd. As for upgrades youll want the 330hp engine, upgraded brakes, turbo, stock 5 speed transmission, a winch, long air intake and a large radiator. For suspension try 80% springs on your front tires and 120% on your backs, 300% damping, +5 angle kit, 40mm spacers (im cheap but you can go wider if you want) and raise your front axle 5 inches and your backs 6 inches. Youll be RIPPING up and down that trail after building that beast.

[Aldrenean]

There isn't room between hills on the oak log road to gain any speed... maybe you're just not supposed to take the semi on it but it was absolute hell from the first hill, and I've played a lot of Spintires and Mudrunner.