ENDER LILIES: Quietus of the Knights

ENDER LILIES: Quietus of the Knights

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[Spoilers] So what do we know about the lore?
I remember that priestess are ancients, they absorb blight, there was a battle against blight lord on the spires, and that's about it. Who wiped out the ancients? What and why is blight? Why a few ancient knights scattered around? Why stone tablets are locked behind magic doors? Why couldn't White prime contain the blight lord? Why is whe so deep in the caves? Does blight affects anything outside lands of end?
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So I just copy my post in a discord server:

+ Reading the song's lyric during credit section helps me realize that Lotus & Lilies have the same the spiritual meaning. It fits the theme very well.

+ We see lotuses many times in the game environment. They give us more healing prayer & sprit usage. There is a lotus field in the Ending A area and a big white lotus's waiting to purify the girl. We see the lotus during Ending C cutscene. The lotus also appears on the OST Ender Lilies cover background

+ I did a Google search for lotus's spiritual meaning and it said: "The Lotus flower is regarded in many different cultures, especially in eastern religions, as a symbol of purity, enlightenment, self-regeneration and rebirth. Its characteristics are a perfect analogy for the human condition: even when its roots are in the dirtiest waters, the Lotus produces the most beautiful flower." I guess that's a partial reason they leave our Priestess of Fount in the miasma and deep abyss?

+ I searched for White Lilies and it has similar spiritual meaning with Lotus: "Often chosen for both weddings and funerals, white lilies symbolize a rejuvenation of the soul. They can represent purity, commitment and rebirth, which is why they’re often chosen as Sympathy Flowers. Greek and Roman brides were often given a garland of lilies to wear in their hair, signifying the promise of a pure and fruitful life." Is that the same flower on our MC's hair? You can see the Lilies flower on the Bulbel's (credit song) cover background on Mili's Youtube Channel

+ Now thinking of it both flowers fit the theme very well, and I think that's why they choose Lilies in the title.
I don't think there's a set explanation for ending A, but it looks to me that after Fretia purifies Lily and uses that extra motivation to ramp up her purification efforts and our boy UKnight stays behind to find her body, Lily goes to the lands beyond and honours Fretia's and UKnight's "last" wishes to live her life as best as she can.
That bit about the pact bringing them together again makes me unsure if it means they'll be together after death or her returning once things go wrong again, which they probably will considering the ending says "Truth remains in the Abyss. Tragedy, never ceasing."
Messaggio originale di bibolonton:
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Messaggio originale di Markuss:
That bit about the pact bringing them together again makes me unsure if it means they'll be together after death or her returning once things go wrong again, which they probably will considering the ending says "Truth remains in the Abyss. Tragedy, never ceasing."

Ending A probably means that Fretia will eventually pass away in the Abyss, and the Uknight will then move on to Lily, who will come back and go to the Abyss. The tragedy will then repeat as Lily takes Fretia´s place.

Ending A means the Blight remains and kills Fretia, then Lily.

Ending B means that Fretia and Lily struggle together to control the Abyss, but we don´t know the end result of it. Likely bad, but at least Fretia and Lily will be together until the end.

Ending C means... well, my original interpretation was that Fretia was free to go while Lily remained, now able to finish the Blight off with the Aegis Curio, but I´m afraid the more conventional interpretation (and probably the true one) would be that Fretia dies peacefully, free of the burden, and Lily finishes the Blight, leaving her free to live her life together with the Uknight and the spirits of the people of Land´s End.
Is the Umbral Knight related to Fretia? Are they lovers or something? I remember the description of a certain ring says this but I am not sure
Messaggio originale di Reguna:
Is the Umbral Knight related to Fretia? Are they lovers or something? I remember the description of a certain ring says this but I am not sure
The Umbral Knight has been around for a long time, as the deathless pact continue with future generations until the end of the bloodline..
It's too bad we don't know a lot about the UK, I really like them. Best I can speculate is thanks to the ancient soul deep in the Abyss, where we get a memory from the second-to-last ancient soldier.
They mention 2 names: Eldred (after checking, Eldred is one of the Ancient priestesses) and Ferin, who is called the "Last of the Undying Warriors." It messes me up a bit that the memory says "An undying warrior's end comes upon the death of the priestess to which they are bound" despite every other piece of information saying that the pact is passed on to the new priestess and the UK still being around, but I'm new to the whole lore diving and may be missing something here.
I like to think that our UK is Ferin, being the only candidate for last undying around during the game, and their assigned priestess was the Priestess of the Dawn, the last ancient priestess as mentioned in the memory and a fair assumption to someone who has been long gone since it's been a couple generations.
Ultima modifica da Markuss; 2 lug 2021, ore 12:36
Messaggio originale di Markuss:
It messes me up a bit that the memory says "An undying warrior's end comes upon the death of the priestess to which they are bound" despite every other piece of information saying that the pact is passed on to the new priestess and the UK still being around, but I'm new to the whole lore diving and may be missing something here.

Perhaps the UK´s pact was different to the other knights´. When the Ancients were around, a knight per priestess made sense, but as their society was exterminated and only one priestess remained, they had to ensure that that priestess´ bloodline would be forever protected.
Here is a question: what monster is that supposed to be, the one you purify in the hidden cave above the lake with Nymphilia´s ring? The one with the two "King of the First Age´s Notes" ?
Messaggio originale di Saavedra:
Here is a question: what monster is that supposed to be, the one you purify in the hidden cave above the lake with Nymphilia´s ring? The one with the two "King of the First Age´s Notes" ?
For the cutscene I mentioned? It's the ancient soul you find after that Abyss gauntlet, the one you find through Subterranean Lab B4's secret room.
Messaggio originale di Markuss:
For the cutscene I mentioned? It's the ancient soul you find after that Abyss gauntlet, the one you find through Subterranean Lab B4's secret room.

I think you misunderstood me.

Go to the respite to the left of the Fount, the place where you obtain Ending A by purifying the large flower. From that respite, go up-left, and you will find a large lake at the bottom of a cliff. In that lake, you will find Nymphilia´s ring. Climbing that cliff, you find a hidden cave with a large, dead monster you can purify, and two items: notes written by the King of the First Age, detailing how he found the first White Priestess after exterminating the Ancients.

My question is, what is that monster you purify? I don´t quite recognize it as anything from the game.

It would be very funny if some DLC dropped later on, making that unknown monster a gateway to a new area set in the past, the same way that a monster in a hidden cave right by a lake does this in... a certain other game.
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Messaggio originale di Markuss:
For the cutscene I mentioned? It's the ancient soul you find after that Abyss gauntlet, the one you find through Subterranean Lab B4's secret room.

My question is, what is that monster you purify? I don´t quite recognize it as anything from the game.

I see it now, man I'm slow today.
At first I thought it was one of those flesh mounds flattened (mainly because I can't see the colours anymore), but it sure ain't.

Messaggio originale di Saavedra:
It would be very funny if some DLC dropped later on, making that unknown monster a gateway to a new area set in the past, the same way that a monster in a hidden cave right by a lake does this in... a certain other game.

Man, I'd buy more of this game as long as it doesn't end up being like the Code Vein dlc.
Messaggio originale di Reguna:
Is the Umbral Knight related to Fretia? Are they lovers or something? I remember the description of a certain ring says this but I am not sure

The Umbral Knight made a deathless pact with an ancestor of Lily and Fretia.
My question is why were all the priestess clones found looking like they died without ever suffering the effects of the blight? They aren't in any way mutated. They do not appear to have any wounds, most looking like they passed away somewhat peacefully. Also, other bodies that aren't blighted look to be in various states of decay. The white priestesses seem perfectly preserved.

The only theory that makes sense is when they died they released whatever blight they managed to contain and their bodies reverted, but there's no proof or evidence of that guess that I can point to. To the contrary, lore findings near them seem like they died waiting for something to happen (Lily to awaken), or while bored (stuck in their room), etc.
Ultima modifica da USM-Valor; 3 lug 2021, ore 15:21
Probably not big big lore questions, but stuff I've been wondering about lore wise:

1. With most of the creatures Lily winds up crossing spirits with, most of the super strong ones had some level of self-awareness/spirit attached to them. All except Miriel. I can't help but wonder if by the time Miriel became that uh... nightmarish boss fight thing, her spirit/soul had long since departed. Is that the case with all the generic enemies, or were the recruitables kind of like the horse and simply especially drawn to Lily?

2. Would Lily, whether during the adventure or her Post Ending C be considered a necromancer? The Deathless Pact journal straight up calls the ritual necromantic, though at no point does anyone seem to control any physical bodies (I could also be very behind on DnD lore and necromancy can be described as control over any undead spirit and not just earthly bodies). What is the wider world around Land's End going to say about a girl who has control over some 20 odd spirits (if she didn't do a ritual to make them pass on, at least), or even the entire populace of Land's End?

Probably my only disappointment with this game lore wise has to be how none of the recruitable departed seem to have much interaction with one another. Fungal Sorcerer/Floral Sorceress are implied if not outright stated to be lovers, Eleine didn't think very highly of Faden, Hoenir was Julius's Uncle, etc. I would have liked those interactions post-death, even if they otherwise might have messed up the game's atmosphere.
Messaggio originale di Eggmanronpa:
Probably not big big lore questions, but stuff I've been wondering about lore wise:

1. With most of the creatures Lily winds up crossing spirits with, most of the super strong ones had some level of self-awareness/spirit attached to them. All except Miriel. I can't help but wonder if by the time Miriel became that uh... nightmarish boss fight thing, her spirit/soul had long since departed. Is that the case with all the generic enemies, or were the recruitables kind of like the horse and simply especially drawn to Lily?

There are a couple of lore objects near the beginning of the game that address this. Most creatures afflicted by the Blight lose their minds and souls and end up just being solely animated by the curse itself, but there are a few that retain the above- the latter are the ones that Lily is able to recruit.
Ultima modifica da StoneofTriumph; 3 lug 2021, ore 18:32
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