Combat Mission Shock Force 2

Combat Mission Shock Force 2

ENDER Aug 7, 2023 @ 9:36am
Red force tanks have unreal reverse speed
For instance, a lot of information point out that t-72 tank series only have 4km/h reverse speed due to its gear fault, which means approximate 1m/s. It is extremely slow, but in the game t-72 series(t-72M1&t-72av&t-72m) can reverse faster than that,giving the red army unrealistic advantage. To be more specific,through my test, reverse speed is 4 times than normal. And I actually purchase all combat mission which is released on steam. In cold war,the t-72 series have same issue. In black sea, the t-72b3 and t-90a have same issue. It's pretty funny even the "sophisticated" and "modern" t-72b3 have such reverse speed. But I can't experience it in this game. I'm so upset. Than I realized different tank movement speed is illustrated on its vehicle info panel, most common MBTs have 3 or 4 speed. If they have same speed value, than they actually have completely same speed, strongly enhanced red force. Because this method of speed simulation does not accurate enough, t-72 series not only have significant ridiculous reverse speed, but also have increased acceleration than reality. There was a period of time I thought this application was a simulator which is perfect, but this issue breaks my illusion. Especially in CMCW, all soviet tanks can reverse such fast even faster than 2 speed US tanks,IMPOSSIBLE(RAGE), it ruined the simulation. Last, is that possible the devs will improve this part, it appeals to be hard and complex. Sigh~ :(
Last edited by ENDER; Aug 8, 2023 @ 2:36am
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moyer4487 Jun 18, 2024 @ 4:09am 
i have CMSF 2 and Black Sea and i have noticed the same thing. russian armor is way to fast forward and reverse. i also have real world experience. i was a bradley gunner when i was a cavalry scout during desert storm and again for the 2nd invasion of iraq. in general the gamer community way overrates russian made tanks and IFV's and they are almost always OP. very over powered when compared to the real thing. i don't know why that is either. but the gamer community has always overrated the russian weapon systems. and to any other posters, i am not trying to start some political debat on russian or western weapon systems. i am stating my experience coming up against russian made weapons in the real world not the game world not the redit world or the i read it online world. so please don't get all butthurt because i expressed what i saw happen in the real world.
A Canadian Cat Jun 18, 2024 @ 11:03am 
Yes, the reverse speeds are a known issue. I forget the full story - you might be able to find it on the BFC forum. Short answer was it was a design limitation that they would like to revisit one day. Basically we have to live with it. :-(

Originally posted by moyer4487:
i have CMSF 2 and Black Sea and i have noticed the same thing. russian armor is way to fast forward and reverse. i also have real world experience. i was a bradley gunner when i was a cavalry scout during desert storm and again for the 2nd invasion of iraq.

My experience is certainly nothing even close to yours. I did have an occasion to spend time in Syria in the 1980s and we had our copy of Janes. I remember one day driving on the high way next to an 2S1 which was driving on the hard packed sand next to the road. We matched speed and waved to the crew. We were going 10km/hr over its listed max speed and it wasn't even driving on the road. There is a lot of incorrect information floating around. BFC strives to weed out bad info and get it right. I'm sure they are not perfect either.

Originally posted by moyer4487:
in general the gamer community way overrates russian made tanks and IFV's and they are almost always OP

Oh so true. BFC tries really hard to get things right. I'm sure they have some mistakes but they also tend to take flack for Russian and Soviet vehicles not being uber enough.
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