This is not a military simulation.

[Br1dg1t3_Cr1ms0n_D4wn]

As a person with basic principles of warfare, I say that this simulator is not as good as it is described. Here it is impossible to fully simulate even an elementary ambush on armored vehicles in the city. Strykers and Abrams see fighters lying on the floor through the walls, and religious fanatics tremble in fear of a couple of bullets fired - absurd. Why should I bring my soldiers to the forefront of the defense perimeter if it is tactically unprofitable, because I have to evade long-range fire combat where the US Army has an advantage? Game mechanics forbids simulation. This is an entertainment toy for the mass consumer. Advertisers misled me.

This simulator cannot be used for military training, it does not meet elementary requirements, such as:
1. Urban combat and the fight against armored vehicles with hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers (the game mechanics impose remote combat - this is crazy)
2. There is no simulation of morality, to suppress the fire of religious fanatics and US rangers are completely different degrees of morality.
3. The game has very weak AI - everything is scripted. Shooting smoke grenades and then running across open ground under crossfire is crazy.
And so on, this is one of the worst war simulators I've wasted money on. I was looking for a game that the military learns from and I was seduced by advertising - I was wrong.

Arma 3 is much better at simulating ambush combat against armored vehicles. If you know the military simulators that the military learn from, write the names here. Thanks.

(Sorry for google translate. I am rus from Rossia.#stopwar)

[Rex Seattle]

Jihad Gaming👆 původně napsal:

This simulator cannot be used for military training, it does not meet elementary requirements, such as:
1. Urban combat and the fight against armored vehicles with hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers (the game mechanics impose remote combat - this is crazy)
2. There is no simulation of morality, to suppress the fire of religious fanatics and US rangers are completely different degrees of morality.
3. The game has very weak AI - everything is scripted. Shooting smoke grenades and then running across open ground under crossfire is crazy.
And so on, this is one of the worst war simulators I've wasted money on. I was looking for a game that the military learns from and I was seduced by advertising - I was wrong.

Arma 3 is much better at simulating ambush combat against armored vehicles. If you know the military simulators that the military learn from, write the names here. Thanks.

(Sorry for google translate. I am rus from Rossia.#stopwar)

Understand that this is a consumer sim released to the masses. On that level, it is very good.

AI, by it's very nature, is scripted ... ALL programming is scripted. Programs do what they are told, nothing more, nothing less. The soldiers do not actually have their own free-will, and never will. They cannot. That free-will can only be "simualted" by allowing for various levels of randomness and jitter, but eventually, you will spot the patterns. It is the nature of the beast, and we all accept that as a known limitation on the technology.

What they simulate far better are things like ballistics and armor penetration, which they've researched in-depth. That's the games strong points.

Human behavior is infinite, and will never be able to be simulated accurately. I think these guys are up there with regards to what is currently available to people sitting in their living rooms.

[Rex Seattle]

Jihad Gaming👆 původně napsal:

... and I do not advise you to write the phrase "lol" if you want a guy to take you seriously.

You're hitting a bit into the weeds now. Most of the people here are from North America, and that is a ubiquitous phrase here that means different things in different contexts. In this case, it meant "i disagree with your claim that Arma 3 is superior". We all know what he meant, and him typing that into long-hand would have made little difference.

[Br1dg1t3_Cr1ms0n_D4wn]

ICTRADER původně napsal:

https://www.thefewgoodmen.com/tsd3/
Try the missions, and there are many ambush scenarios :)
Good luck,comany commander.

I have already downloaded the missions from there and have the same problem for everyone.

Rex Seattle původně napsal:

Jihad Gaming👆 původně napsal:

Understand that this is a consumer sim released to the masses. On that level, it is very good.

AI, by it's very nature, is scripted ... ALL programming is scripted. Programs do what they are told, nothing more, nothing less. The soldiers do not actually have their own free-will, and never will. They cannot. That free-will can only be "simualted" by allowing for various levels of randomness and jitter, but eventually, you will spot the patterns. It is the nature of the beast, and we all accept that as a known limitation on the technology.
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What they simulate far better are things like ballistics and armor penetration, which they've researched in-depth. That's the games strong points.
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Human behavior is infinite, and will never be able to be simulated accurately. I think these guys are up there with regards to what is currently available to people sitting in their living rooms.
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1. What prevents the developers from forbidding the Abrams tank from seeing through the walls of a multi-storey building a soldier lying on the floor? Let him at least see him when approaching 50-100 meters. Look at Ukraine, where modern tanks can't see infantry 80 meters away. Or Chechnya, an ambush near Yarysh-Mardy, not a single AFV from the Russian column noticed the ambush. It is impossible to do this in this simulator. Is this on purpose or human stupidity? Do not know.

2. Yes! Exactly! This is what they get. But I know the answer. I see the same things everywhere. And there is only one answer. Lack of human literate personnel, lack of a good human resource. This is the tragedy of all mankind. 98% of people are idiots, but this is not a problem, the problem is that democracy deprives people of an elite that could show the right path and teach people. It is easier for financial financiers to make money on people than to teach them. Do you know how Muslims with down syndrome differ from normal healthy Muslims? Some know the Koran down to earth, every letter,... while others understand (!) what is written there. It is beneficial for the system to use "scientific fools" who can calculate mathematically ballistics, but cannot make the "hide" mode work because it goes beyond mathematical calculations and "creativity" begins. Smart people have no place in this system. We need scientists (educated, erudite) idiots.

3. It is impossible to generalize all mankind. The human community does not exist. The structure of the brain of some is 40 or more times greater than that of others. Dwarfs and Titans. The behavior of 95% has long been calculated and predictable, as if they were dealing with animals. Psychologists, psychiatrists, neuro-linguistic sciences, centers for the study of the brain and psychology. Corporations that act as consultants and provide services in socio-psychology. After all, marketing network trade managers have been using "scripts" for people for a long time. And this means 95% can be modeled. The only variable that is not analyzed is "fighting spirit" and passionarity (I don't know how Google will translate this and whether you will understand what I mean), everything else is calculated. In addition, I'm talking about elementary things like the "hide" mode, why don't the developers make the detection (by armored vehicles) of infantry in buildings only after the infantry opens fire and for 10 seconds the likely place of fire is displayed and during firing. It's elementary. Imagine you hid in the kitchen on the floor, but the abram tank sees you through the walls for 600 meters))) It's just a circus. The circus of the planet of idiots and those who earn money on them ...

p.s.
Problem still exists. AFVs Strykers and US Abrams see through the walls and fire at the infantry who hid in the houses. They see people hiding in the trenches. They see those hiding in the grass for 400 meters and further. It's all not real. Close-quarters combat in this game is just awful. We have to hide the infantry behind the houses and not in the houses, this is a circus and not a simulator. Why do such detailed things as command distance, communication, damage, if there are no elementary things of buildings where infantry can hide. The mode to hide on armored vehicles does not work at all.
(Sorry for google translate.)

[Rambovic]

I call ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on your "there is no universal human condition" statement. Don't mind me here.

PS: It's very impressive how you constantly put your political/world view in this (somehow).
PPS: Are you depressed?

[Br1dg1t3_Cr1ms0n_D4wn]

Rambovic původně napsal:

I call ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on your "there is no universal human condition" statement. Don't mind me here.

What are you talking about? The political agenda has long invaded the industry and dictates both the plot and the game mechanics. Battlefield example 5. Do you understand cause and effect at all? Why don't stealth mode work? Why suddenly, with huge technical capabilities, a game is released to the masses for people with a psychological age of 11 years, serving as a "military simulator with realism" although there is just no realism here?
A human differs from an animal in that a human asks himself questions and looks for answers and does not live according to the script "work-home-shop-cafe-old-age-grave"

[Rambovic]

I understand you criticism towars Combat Mission but I don't see what Bf5 has to do with it. EA/Dice/AAA-devs have almost nothing in common with the way CM is being developed. CM might be the worst example for a video game industry conspiracy.

What is your objective? Are you just complaining that games aren't as good as they could be?

[Br1dg1t3_Cr1ms0n_D4wn]

Rambovic původně napsal:

I understand you criticism towars Combat Mission but I don't see what Bf5 has to do with it. EA/Dice/AAA-devs have almost nothing in common with the way CM is being developed. CM might be the worst example for a video game industry conspiracy.

What is your objective? Are you just complaining that games aren't as good as they could be?

Got it, TikTok generation.

[Rex Seattle]

Chaos19_3m24 původně napsal:

Why is it impossible to understand in any simulator why the USA lost in Afghanistan?!

Seriously? That country is as corrupt as the day is long. The US left, and everyone in power started pilfering everything left behind for themselves. They've done story after story about how money and resources sent to the soldiers never got to the soldiers, it was always diverted by their commanders, leaving the men with little to nothing.

Would you put your life on the line for these people who care nothing about you?

You cannot "save" third-world kleptocracies unless you remain there permanently.

We were 100% in the wrong for going over there in the first place.

[Br1dg1t3_Cr1ms0n_D4wn]

Rex Seattle původně napsal:

Chaos19_3m24 původně napsal:

Why is it impossible to understand in any simulator why the USA lost in Afghanistan?!

Seriously? That country is as corrupt as the day is long. The US left, and everyone in power started pilfering everything left behind for themselves. They've done story after story about how money and resources sent to the soldiers never got to the soldiers, it was always diverted by their commanders, leaving the men with little to nothing.

Would you put your life on the line for these people who care nothing about you?

You cannot "save" third-world kleptocracies unless you remain there permanently.

We were 100% in the wrong for going over there in the first place.

The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is not a third world country. Because the world has become unipolar and the Cold War, like the USSR, no longer exists.

You don't know anything about corruption, corruption is when:

-Corruption is when: In the Russian Federation there is no police at all, there is no prosecutor's office, there are no laws, the law enforcement agencies themselves are bandits and the mafia. Our colonels of the FSB special services steal a billion rubles and keep the money in dirty kitchens in bags.

-Corruption is when: a battalion of tanks is sent to Ukraine, and only two squads arrive, because everything was sold and plundered.

-Corruption is when you can be put in a psychiatric hospital by those who can give a bribe to a friend doctor of $50 (to take away your business) and prove in court that you are healthy will cost $12,000 with a monthly salary of $150

-Corruption is when: steals the Minister of Defense, steals the Minister of Culture, the Minister of Finance, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Minister of Defense, and so on.

-Corruption is when: you come to court and your application is not accepted, for no reason, you are told you must know the address and names of the criminals, and if you do not know this information, then there will be no trial, they tell you in court go to the police, they will be looking for them, and from the police they take you away in handcuffs (without explanation and without trial) to a psychiatric hospital and you don’t have the opportunity to escape, just like in the movie Escape from Shoushenko, there’s simply nowhere, you can’t even walk, it’s worse than in prison strictly mode.

-Corruption is when: in your family legal code it is written that you are a slave, if you don’t like it, then you are an enemy of the people. If you are against being robbed, against being raped in the anus with a long wooden stick, then you are an agent of the State Department and an enemy of the motherland. Against corruption? Against the state!

-Corruption is when: they build a spaceport for 3 trillion dollars, and plunder 2 trillion.
My monthly salary is less than the cost of Beleville boots from a US soldier at the air base. I have a law degree. Imbitsils in senators, normal people at the bottom of the social ladder.

Live in Russia for half a year and you will ask to be placed in hell, just to get out of Russia. You don't know anything about corruption. Worst of all, corruption is not a mafia, it is the people who make it up, support and vote.

[Rex Seattle]

Chaos19_3m24 původně napsal:

Worst of all, corruption is not a mafia, it is the people who make it up, support and vote.

It sounds like the people get the government they deserve then.

[Br1dg1t3_Cr1ms0n_D4wn]

Rex Seattle původně napsal:

Chaos19_3m24 původně napsal:

Worst of all, corruption is not a mafia, it is the people who make it up, support and vote.

It sounds like the people get the government they deserve then.

100% Absolutely right!

[Gel]

红隼在北方 původně napsal:

ARMA3?lol...
IMHO, For most players, ARMA3 is just a fun multiplay game like SQUAD.
OK,it can simulate some military life.:)
But i am not interest in a military life, and i am only interest in a military mission.
CM can realise it.

ARMA has nailed one aspect as a simulator for military life.
Walking, and waiting.
Then you do more walking.
It'd only be better if you wore 15kgs of weight while you waited or walked.

[Mitth'raw'nuruodo]

It is not a simulation. Not because of any of the idiotic reasons you mentioned, but because it lacks fundamental elements of warfare like chain of command, modeling (conceptual) of leaders and soldiers including their individual abilities, personalities and experience, campaign level strategic considerations etc. ARMA is pretty terrible as a simulation as well.

[A Canadian Cat]

Mitth'raw'nuruodo původně napsal:

It is not a simulation. Not because of any of the idiotic reasons you mentioned, but because it lacks fundamental elements of warfare like chain of command,

Sure it does - for some information. It is true there is no order passing system but there is a spotting information passing system that uses C2 and the morale and motivation of the troops depends on if they are in communication with their HQ unit or not.

If you are a professional soldier and you want to simulate radio and other comms for issuing orders etc. then you do have to create a system outside the game for that.

This whole discussion is a bit mute though since several armies *are* using CM for training and simulating combat. Which by definition...

Mitth'raw'nuruodo původně napsal:

modeling (conceptual) of leaders and soldiers including their individual abilities, personalities and experience,

Sure it does. Soldiers have motivation, training, morale and skill information that is sometimes team level and sometimes individual level. Leaders have a leadership modifier too. As an example if your squad leader becomes a casualty the next ranking member of the squad takes over and their leadership value is then in effect.

You could attempt to put forward an argument that it's not enough but you cannot say it doesn't have it modelled.

Mitth'raw'nuruodo původně napsal:

campaign level strategic considerations etc.

Right true - this is a tactical simulation so if you wan to simulate higher levels then you have to do that another way but you can still use CM to do the work it does - simulating tactical engagements.

[Demize99]

My man the level of simulation you are describing is called "real life", this is a computer program, it cant recreate every detail ever but it sure tries to.
Lets put it this way, what other strategy game (I know its not strategy but thats how we call this type of game anyway, please dont lecture me on the difference between tactics and strategy) as that much detail in terms of equipment, vehicles and there different variants with every possible sub system modeled, formations, even just the briefings and scenarios are a thousand times more believable than any other game Ive played.
On top of that, there's a LOT of soft factors like training, morale, combat fatigue etc making this one of the best simulation Ive played, especially when it comes to modern warfare where everything is so fast and precise.

I can understand why you don't like it but to call it a "bad sim" by for some reason comparing it to Arma is just stupid. I mean, its not even the same genre of games, wtf ?!
If you can find within you the intellectual honesty to compare it to actual strategy games, I would love to know which titles you think are more "realistic" than CM because I cant think of any (except maybe the Graviteam games but they have a completely different philosophy of design so not a great comparison anyway).

Also for some reason you seem to think jihadists have better moral on average than US Marines ?!
I mean, they use asymmetrical warfare tactics for a reason my man. Ive seen a fair amount of ISIS, HTS etc in "conventional" fighting scenarios and its always an absolute joke. Being a fanatic doesn't equal to good fighting performances, thats why real soldiers train instead of reading the holy Quran all day...
Best pro Syrian units are clearly SAA special forces, which is the way it should be realistically.
Nasheeds wont teach you how to keep cool in combat, its a thing you have to actually learn through training...