what exactly is wrong with gbo2 players?

[Pine-kun]

some people are just so, so pathologically opposed to the idea of others playing higher-level units that simply picking one will provoke them to friendly fire, spam emotes, and intentionally throw matches. what causes this neuroses?? its especially frustrating because no amount of results seem able to dispel their fervor. there are a couple of posters on this board who constantly post similar sentiments, and they too make me scratch my head.

is there some gbo2 influencer spreading this ♥♥♥♥? are there even gbo2 influencers?? i certainly dont know lol

[FreedomX]

I have similar concerns as well, this one guy Phenex something they keep harrassing me for some reason, I have no idea who they are, they may be Aran Smithy or someone

[Open to Interpretation]

The only real big GBO content creator I ever see people parroting is Avenger, and while I think he can be too hasty to write some things off, I don't see him on any kind of crusade against higher level units. In some cases, I've even see him go to bat for them, so I don't think this one is on him.

Really, I think it's just dumb GBO players being dumb. They see higher level = above native cost = bad. Some MS don't scale well to higher levels, and others do. Supports tend to scale the best, because they're just all about modifiers and damage output. It varies more for generals, but the ones that scale best are most often things that are tanky and/or have big melee damage, i.e. the Geara Doga, Zaku III, Dreissen, Dom Tropen. Raids typically don't make this transition as smoothly, but there are still some exceptions to that. It's largely just because raids tend to be defined more by the skill list than anything else, and raid skill lists get substantially more robust every time you go up in cost (until you hit the 600 speed bump l0l).

Mostly, it just comes down to whether the MS skills translate well (double dodge roll, MA/damage control, etc), whether the damage holds up (good modifiers, which is something you'd need to consult the JP wiki for), and how consistent their game plan is. For instance, while raids typically don't scale as well as the other two rolls, you have things like the Bawoo and the Hyaku Shiki, that work from 550 all the way up to 700. The stats are there, the damage is there, and they have straightforward play patterns. It turns out that the Hyaku Shiki's "boost at you and fire vulcans" approach works pretty well when the vulcans stun so quickly, and your melee hits so hard.

Obviously, all of these LV4 picks are substantially stronger with overtuning in the mix, but even if you don't have any of it, some of them still hold up very well. It's definitely not strictly required for these things to work.

Then again, I imagine most of the geeks complaining about LV3 and LV4 picks are the same people who think the game is p2w because they don't realize how much top tier bs is in the DP store with no rank requirement, so...

Originally posted by FreedomX:

I have similar concerns as well, this one guy Phenex something they keep harrassing me for some reason, I have no idea who they are, they may be Aran Smithy or someone

Is it PhenexMkII, by chance?

[Pine-kun]

Originally posted by Open to Interpretation:

Is it PhenexMkII, by chance?

funny you mention them because they are the one that inspired this post 🤔https://i.imgur.com/RqatcdM.jpeg

[Open to Interpretation]

Originally posted by Pine-kun:

Originally posted by Open to Interpretation:

Is it PhenexMkII, by chance?

funny you mention them because they are the one that inspired this post 🤔https://i.imgur.com/RqatcdM.jpeg

Lmao this guy.

I've seen him throw games for a lot less than this. The last time I can recall running into him, it was a 500 space game in rated, and I'm not even 100% sure what his issue with the comp was. I think it's the fact that we had two raids? I was playing the Titania, I think the other was the Engage Zero Booster? Every single pick on the team was real solid, and iirc they were all native 500s. In either case, he started griefing, and we STILL only narrowly lost in spite of that. It was very, very winnable.

You can always tell when the griefing is coming with this guy, because you get a steady stream of passive-aggressive comments like "we'll win next time" and "are you alright" in the pregame lobby. He really wants you to know he's going to try and throw the match, because you're not picking things that he likes to see. This all gets funnier when you consider that he was on this board downplaying the PGTB awhile back.

The Mk-III is uh, definitely a bold choice though. It's real bad even at its native cost, though some recent leaks turned up additional subweapons (shield missiles and 2x beam sabers) in the game data, which could definitely help. Still, there's no denying that if you're doing 102k damage with it, something is working.

[eEXM-21]

High level suits simply suck compared to native cost ones, at most Lv2 suits are viable
Those who want the teammates NOT to interrupt them grinding Rate should be sick of those who stick with high level suits
I don't fully agree with them abandoning matches, yet I kinda understand them

[Open to Interpretation]

Originally posted by eEXM-21:

High level suits simply suck compared to native cost ones, at most Lv2 suits are viable

They really don't but whatever.

As I said, some things scale well to higher levels, some don't. If you think there are no LV3 or LV4 units, you're dead wrong. I've seen LV5 Pixies clean up 600 games for christ's sake.

[Pine-kun]

yeah we lost by 200 points, lol. mk-3 is okay, its nice on maps where people often get clumped up because both its weapons penetrate units. definitely not best in class, id been playing THE-O in 650 but then i saw its stats from the recent PS4 balance patch and now im hesitant to lock it in. 😓i do well with it usually so i shouldnt let it color my views, but yeah, a little concerning haha.

edit: the penetration is nicer at higher costs because so many suits are enormous and consequently have large hitboxes

[DDENN]

Originally posted by Pine-kun:

some people are just so, so pathologically opposed to the idea of others playing higher-level units that simply picking one will provoke them to friendly fire, spam emotes, and intentionally throw matches. what causes this neuroses?? its especially frustrating because no amount of results seem able to dispel their fervor. there are a couple of posters on this board who constantly post similar sentiments, and they too make me scratch my head.

is there some gbo2 influencer spreading this ♥♥♥♥? are there even gbo2 influencers?? i certainly dont know lol

they are just weebs, nothing wrong as long as they are happy. someone will said like this

[eEXM-21]

Originally posted by Open to Interpretation:

As I said, some things scale well to higher levels, some don't.

Very few*
I even dare to say almost none

Originally posted by Open to Interpretation:

I've seen LV5 Pixies clean up 600 games for christ's sake.

Only if the Pixy pilot was lucky enough to have dumb opponents
The more suits come with Anti-Stealth skill on higher cost, the more opportunities Pixy has to get detected and humiliated

[eEXM-21]

GP01 is kinda outdated but still durable in 550 (after full nerf on PGTB of course)
Lv4 of that? Absolute garbage
I have no idea why those devs started to give that for newbies, do they want noobs to try 700 and get ♥♥♥♥♥♥?

[Open to Interpretation]

Originally posted by eEXM-21:

Very few*
I even dare to say almost none

Yeah, but what you dare to say means very little when you consistently demonstrate that you don't understand anything about this game. For instance:

Originally posted by eEXM-21:

Only if the Pixy pilot was lucky enough to have dumb opponents
The more suits come with Anti-Stealth skill on higher cost, the more opportunities Pixy has to get detected and humiliated

Almost nothing commonly played in the 600 meta has anti-stealth. In fact, there's far less anti-stealth to go around at 600 than there is from 450 to 550, especially at 500. We're going to assume this is 600 rated, because you like to say rated is the only game mode that matters and because going even 50 under cost at 600 is already questionable in most cases; going 100 under cost is straight up griefing. Now, in the spirit of full disclosure, there are a couple picks at 600 that have pings (both of which are niche at best and neither of which is very popular), but pings are no substitute for anti-stealth. On top of having a cooldown, there's also the distinct possibility your ping just isn't in range to catch the stealth unit at the time.

The only notable example I can think of as far as an actual anti-stealth unit you could play at 600 (of which there are few) that is actually good (even fewer) is the LV2 Geara Doga Kai, which is still very strong at 600, but I've probably seen the LV2 version played fewer than ten times. It is just not really a thing. Other than that, let's see here...


- No raid available at 600 has anti-stealth. Not a single one. The closest you're going to get is the LV3 Bolinoak having a ping, but you don't think LV3 MS are good, right?

- The meta generals are things like the MP Nu, MP ZZ, Atlas, Anksha, Hazenthley. None of those have anti-stealth. Once again, the closest you're going to get is the ping of the Gundam Mk-IV (which is kind of mid anyhow).

- The meta supports are things like the Ground HSK, Dijeh AP, Zaku IV,

- The ReZel type C is a support that has it! So is the Jagd Doga! Aw, shucks. Those are both 650. Guess that's out.


So what are you picking to see the Pixy coming at 600, exactly? The LV4 Zock?

You know what's another stealth unit that's damn good at 600 (for my money, far better than the Pixy)? The LV3 GM NS V, especially when its slot distribution allows you to run both melee overtuning AND melee program up to LV5. Even generals just get deleted, and as we just established, you clearly aren't likely to run into anything in a 600 game that has anti-stealth.

[Zabine Chareux]

Originally posted by Open to Interpretation:

Originally posted by eEXM-21:

High level suits simply suck compared to native cost ones, at most Lv2 suits are viable

They really don't but whatever.

As I said, some things scale well to higher levels, some don't. If you think there are no LV3 or LV4 units, you're dead wrong. I've seen LV5 Pixies clean up 600 games for christ's sake.

Using lv4-5 units is only worth it if you have a bunch of overtune parts/parts that give maxed bonus stats on lv4 units and above, and you have those units fully enhanced.

But even then, some of them are still very underwhelming, even after you slapped a bunch of overtune parts, because they easily got powercreeped by the native cost units, in which those units have better weaponry and skills.

As for high level Pixies, they're very easy to countered in high levels, because people often using units like Jeda Cannon or EWAC Jegan on 550/600, where the former can temporary disable its Stealth skill using its skill, while the latter have a bunch of camera gun + sonar ping that can detect + mark the Pixy.

[Open to Interpretation]

Originally posted by Chirico:

Anything higher than LV2 is a clown, except several LV4s with extremely broken stats created by some stupid ass bandai workers (and i prefer not to tell you which cuz I dont want more ppl to know the secret and be competitive in ranked games)

Just for you, I'm going to name a whole bunch of them.

MS that do goofy amounts of damage in their LV4 version:

Bawoo
Zee Zulu
Geara Doga
Hyaku Shiki
GP04
FA 7th Gundam (we love hitting generals for almost 6000k damage with overtuning)
Pallas Athene
Pixy
GM Striker
Striker Custom
GM Guard Custom
FA Type B
Zssa
Gyan
Dwadge
GP02 BB
GP01 and GP01Fb
Xeku Eins (really all of them)
Agg (which console just got, but dw, it's coming)

Honorable mentions, since they're LV3: GM NS V, Zeta Plus A1, Rick Dom II GH (coming to land soon). Apart from that whatever distinction, they absolutely belong on this list.

I don't necessarily think all of those are good (most of them are at least fine as comfort picks, some of them are genuinely strong picks). I probably missed some notable examples as well, these are just the ones that I could recall off the top of my head.

Originally posted by Chirico:

You may ask me why, and its because if i find you arent trying your ass off to win, then this is nothing more than a pure game, and i do whatever i want cuz its just a GAME.

And, especially after you have posted this, you already know ppl dont like you playing high lvl suits but you keep playing it, knowing what you are doing will have a bad consequence and trying to blame others rather than change yourself, i say you better blame your parents for giving you the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ DNA that creates a low IQ brain that cant think properly and logically.

Chirico: "I can do whatever I want cuz its just a game"

Also Chirico: "If you do whatever you want and I don't like it, you have bad DNA and a low IQ"

[Open to Interpretation]

Originally posted by Zabine Chareux:

Using lv4-5 units is only worth it if you have a bunch of overtune parts/parts that give maxed bonus stats on lv4 units and above, and you have those units fully enhanced.

But even then, some of them are still very underwhelming, even after you slapped a bunch of overtune parts, because they easily got powercreeped by the native cost units, in which those units have better weaponry and skills.

Yikes.

Originally posted by Zabine Chareux:

As for high level Pixies, they're very easy to countered in high levels, because people often using units like Jeda Cannon or EWAC Jegan on 550/600, where the former can temporary disable its Stealth skill using its skill, while the latter have a bunch of camera gun + sonar ping that can detect + mark the Pixy.

Nobody plays the EWAC Jegan at 600 anymore (not that it was ever particularly popular there to begin with), and it's played even less at 550 in this post-PGTB meta, hope that helps.

Jeda Cannon players do exist (though it's another thing you don't see much of at 600, compared to 550), but very seldom do I see them actually utilizing their crouch ping.

Genuinely cannot remember the last time I saw an EWAC Jegan in rated.

[TruckerJj]

Originally posted by Chirico:

Anything higher than LV2 is a clown, except several LV4s with extremely broken stats created by some stupid ass bandai workers (and i prefer not to tell you which cuz I dont want more ppl to know the secret and be competitive in ranked games)

But yeah, if i see a clown think he is super good and play some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ass high LVL suits (probably not even with proper pay2win modules or the same high lvl weapons), I either just leave the room to prevent the assured lose if my disconnect situation is still good. If i cant leave anymore and the game is going to start, I assume this is a losing game, and I chose whatever thing that will make sure this clown get a annoying game, do whatever i can to let him TK me and leave the game himself. You may ask me why, and its because if i find you arent trying your ass off to win, then this is nothing more than a pure game, and i do whatever i want cuz its just a GAME.

And, especially after you have posted this, you already know ppl dont like you playing high lvl suits but you keep playing it, knowing what you are doing will have a bad consequence and trying to blame others rather than change yourself, i say you better blame your parents for giving you the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ DNA that creates a low IQ brain that cant think properly and logically.

tl;dr: "i throw matches when someone picks a suit i dislike, i don't care if we could've won"

what i'm saying is, you're the issue, not the people picking higher level suits