Warning!!cheaters increasing and even no report system

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2023.6.1→few cheaters in quick match
2023.6.2→little cheaters in quick match and custom match
2023.6.3→obviously more cheaters in quick match and custom match indeed
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Confirmed cheats:
1. Hi- or infinite Boost, like rolling→dash→tackle/counter... surprise?only in 3sec
2. Damage immune during any action except walking, if they attack, dash, jump, anyway you can't give them any damage, Hp bar is white during all the actions all the time
3. Never stun, even if they are hit by shotgun, bazooka or any certain stun weapon, they won't get any stun
4. Auto counter, even if they get a back stab they can also counter that attack from backside automatically, any the time from any angle
5. Speed hack, x1.5 or x2 move and action speed for all unites
6. Auto aim and overwall shot, like what happens in any FPS
7. Super stun, you got stun by just 3~5 hits from weapon like head vulcan
8. Super melee range, don't trust your vision, you get damage from their air knife
9. Ignore immune time, you down you stand up you have immune time now get revenge! No, you die! immune time only works for the people who keep rules
10. Damage hack, hard to notice it if you do not played this game on PS with enough knowledge of damage caused by all weapons with range falloff

confirmed units they used as i saw:
GMII Lv1/Lv2, Rick Dom Lv2/Lv3, Juaggu Lv1, Guncannon Lv1/Lv2, Efreet Lv2/Lv3, Act Zaku Lv2, GM Custom Lv2, Powered GM Lv1, Zaku II (Stutzer) Lv1, Guncannon Mass Production Type Lv1, etc...

the thing is even if you spot cheaters you can't report them, you can only report some trouble maker in your team and do nothing to the players on the other side.
that's why better to keep pvp games on consoles far away from pc, anticheat software does not work for keeping game clean but make it laggy for most of the time
※for PC version people can also do the complicated melee combos with more than 3 weapons easily using macro, that is a bad bad news to original ps players.

Now, Bandai are facing 2 serious problems: Broken matching system/server and Cheaters.



thanks for the report of video from #73:

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found someone post this on facebook group

facebook。com/groups/125364020935129/permalink/2670488416422664/

knowing cheats at the post : bazuka Instant cooldown, base destroyed in 17 second after battle start

thanks for the report of video from #76:

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I'm telling you to show me the cheater because I've never seen one. You're making the absurd claim that they exist, and then telling me I'm choosing to live in lala land because I've never seen one. This is completely unfair.

Show me the evidence. I WANT to see these cheaters you're talking about.

@op heres a video example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoC-pT83ezg Not mine but since people ask for videos (since they think you are just having a skill issue for some reason)

Everyone in this thread needs to get their head out of their butts lol. Cheaters exist in every game. From COD, apex, LOL, Halo, SWBF2 (2017), etc. It doesn't matter how strong a current anti cheat system is. People will always find a way around it. I don't know what is wrong with people, where they have to experience stuff to know it exists lol. And I'm not saying it's full of cheaters, just that cheaters exist in it.

thanks for the report of video from #88:
(as the description under video, the player got over 13100 damage from bazooka for pilots in 4sec)

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theres no cheats in this game broooo

edit: show video plox

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gusJBZJXKlM

there are literal cheaters in the game, so stop

[Vivianite]

no vid proof no legit claim

[DrFroggleMD]

Ursprungligen skrivet av 神代るるる:

2023.6.1→few cheaters in quick match
2023.6.2→little cheaters in quick match and custom match
2023.6.3→obviously more cheaters in quick match and custom match indeed
...

Confirmed cheats:
1. Hi- or infinite Boost, like rolling→dash→tackle/counter... surprise?only in 3sec
2. Damage immune during any action except walking, if they attack, dash, jump, anyway you can't give them any damage, Hp bar is white during all the actions all the time
3. Never stun, even if they are hit by shotgun, bazooka or any certain stun weapon, they won't get any stun
4. Auto counter, even if they get a back stab they can also counter that attack from backside automatically, any the time from any angle
5. Speed hack, x1.5 or x2 move and action speed for all unites
6. Auto aim and overwall shot, like what happens in any FPS
7. Super stun, you got stun by just 3~5 hits from weapon like head vulcan
8. Super melee range, don't trust your vision, you get damage from their air knife
9. Ignore immune time, you down you stand up you have immune time now get revenge! No, you die! immune time only works for the people who keep rules
10. Damage hack, hard to notice it if you do not played this game on PS with enough knowledge of damage caused by all weapons with range falloff

the thing is even if you spot cheaters you can't report them, you can only report some trouble maker in your team and do nothing to the players on the other side.
that's why better to keep pvp games on consoles far away from pc, anticheat software does not work for keeping game clean but make it laggy for most of the time
※for PC version people can also do the complicated melee combos with more than 3 weapons easily using macro, that is a bad bad news to original ps players.

Now, Bandai are facing 2 serious problems: Broken matching system/server and Cheaters.

My brother in Christ, there is ZERO percent chance they'll address literally ANY of your concerns. This game is not developed at all. They add new suits to get people to gamble. That is the extent. You're going to have to give up on worrying about any possible changes they'll make. I'm sorry to break that to you.

[Stalectos]

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i am happy for you that you can retain enough optimism to believe battle operation 3 would be made better.

Lmao. Yeah I know. I just mean with modern systems. GBO2 is early PS3 tech. It's repulsive.

yes but gbo2 was made on the ps4. every chance we'd get the same engine again. hence me calling you optimistic.

[DrFroggleMD]

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Lmao. Yeah I know. I just mean with modern systems. GBO2 is early PS3 tech. It's repulsive.

yes but gbo2 was made on the ps4. every chance we'd get the same engine again. hence me calling you optimistic.

You're probably right. I'm just sad we'll never get a truly good game.

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Probably since you are new to the game and the devs never managed to explain all the features/aspects of the game clearly in easily accessible sources, you thought of these features/aspects as cheating (shame on them for doing a poor job on this).

1. Some suits (e.g. Act Zaku commander type) has skill called "overboost". This skill once activated grants infinite boost for 10 seconds, so its very possible for the suit to be boosting then tacking then boosting again. As a consequence, once the skill expires, overheat recovery takes 3 times longer. You probably encountered one and are not aware of this feature.
Some other suits also have the skill called "interrupt tackle" making it possible to perform a tackle twice in a row (i.e. double tackle). One such suit is the GM III Powered

2. That white HP bar is what's known as "iframes". Iframes is obtained after you recover from being toppled. It grants immunity from any attack, lasts for a while, and immediately canceled once the suit attacks. The suit is still immune during boosting or jumping, so it's possible to escape during those limited iframes time should the situation be unfavorable. So yes, it's another feature.

3. Some suits especially the melee focused raid types (Pixie Gundam, Efreet Custom, and many more) have the skill "Manuveur armor". This skill makes the suit much harder to stagger when boosting. It's still possible to stagger the suit, it just takes many more shots to do so.
Some suits are also much more resistant to stun, e.g. Gogg and Zock, these have the skills "Damage Control" and "Shock Dampeners". These skills make them much harder to stagger.

4. Probably due to heavy lag and the game recognized the opponent's tackle much latter so you assume the opponent countered from the back. Sometimes this can happen when facing opponents with poor connection.

5. Some suits have a skill like "Exam ability boost" (Blue Destiny unit 1, 2, 3, Efreet Custom) or "Hades ability boost" (Pale Rider ground type, space type, VG, Todesritter). The skill once activated grants much faster movement (hence what you perceive as a speed hack) and turning speed and enhanced attack power for a limited time. Once it expires, the suit's head and legs are destroyed and can't be repaired making the suit sluggish, have lower attack power, and loses radar. So it's a once in a life only for last resort type of skill.

Some suits especially the melee focused raid types (Pixie Gundam, Efreet Nacht, and many more) are much more agile, moves quicker, turns quicker than other types, especially the firepower focused support types (Guntank, Xamel) which are much slower. These have slim chance of escaping when pursued by the quick moving raid types.

6. Some suits have weapons that can lock on and once released will automatically approach and attack the opponent automatically and can even go through walls (probably due to no collision detection programmed for the weapons). Examples are the incoms of S-Ex Gundam, Qubeley, Todesritter, Doven Wolf, Gundam Mk.V, and many others.
Some weapons like the machine guns also have ASL feature, a small circle reticle that can auto aim at any suits inside that circle when fired. That's another feature.

7. Some suits have more powerful rapid firing head vulcans (e.g. FAZZ and GP02). These can stagger opponents quicker than other suits head vulcans, or you might also have a built up or near full stun bar when hit by those vulcans. The stun bar is invisible but it it builds up from accumulation of attacks and once full will stagger your suit. Try free training and see how it accumulates from attacks (in free training the stun bar is displayed over the opponent's head, right under the HP bar)

8. Some suits have different animation of melee downswings. Some are lunging, have a far reaching, wide swing. e.g. downswings of Pixie Gundam, Black Rider, Zeta Gundam with its long beam saber, GP03, Galbady Beta, and many more. Some raid suits also have a far reaching

9. As explained on no.2, your immunity from iframes is immediately canceled once you attack. So iframes should be used strategically depending on the situation. You don't always have to immediately attack after being toppled, asses the situation and maybe just boost away when it's unfavorable to continue fighting, like when you are surrounded for example.

10. Need more context from this but i suspect you are talking about how seemingly overpowered some weapons are, e.g. ZZ Gundam Head High Mega Cannon, Gundam unit 4 Mega Beam Launcher, FA 7th Gundam Mega Beam Cannon, or GM White Dingo Prototype Beam Rifle. These weapons can deplete lots of your HP or even instantly kill due to having massive power. But those weapons have drawbacks, they require charging for a very long time, mostly can only be charged while being still (can't move, making the suit easier to attack), overheats after being shot and recover slowly, so they are not so practical and most players don't really abuse them.
Or you could also be talking about the "Heavy attack" skills of some raid suits (GM III close combat, Hazel II, Nero Trainer, Zaku III Custom, Re-Gz, Geara Zulu (EH), and some others). These attacks need charging but are pretty quick to charge, usually overpowered especially if the suits melee attack stat is raised via equipping parts, and many players tend to abuse them. Just be aware of these suits and don't fight them alone, tackle their attack if possible, cooperate with your teammates when facing them.

The reporting feature exists. Once the match is over, on the after match screen when the list of players that participated are displayed you can select a player and choose "report". But what the devs do with the report and whether your report is really looked at is pretty much unknown.

thanks for typing so much.
It might be hard to find, but i put all the name of MS they used above at #8 like:
GMII Lv1/Lv2, Rick Dom Lv2/Lv3, Juaggu Lv1, Guncannon Lv1/Lv2, Efreet Lv2/Lv3, Act Zaku Lv2, GM Custom Lv2, Powered GM Lv1, Zaku II (Stutzer) Lv1, Guncannon Mass Production Type Lv1

I was checking low cost MS for quick match and it just happened for 300，350 and 400
As all i know they could not use those MS to do any of the features i described, but still thanks for sharing the knowledge and ideas.

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Where is said list? I cannot find it as I am typing this around 4:30 EST, not to sound abrasive but I am curious so I can keep a more watchful eye on said MSs.

As for the video, this is what is known as the "burden of evidence" or "burden of proof," you made the statement so we expect some form of proof or it is very hard to believe; it does come across as a player who does not know the game well yet will call hacks.

You said its not worth it but that is entirely false. Provide proof and you will have more strength to your statements, players could possibly be banned, and devs can see said hacks in the works to know what to look for if you send them the clips via customer service likely. With this game being ported, there is likely going to be more eyes on the game to make sure they can get the port and servers running well and mitigate problems like hackers and abusers, especially since many have been waiting for a port for a while.

EDIT
After posting I see a reply with a list of some MSs. I also realize that said list was origianally posted in a more paragraph like format rather than a bullet point-like list, thats on me.

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Where is said list? I cannot find it as I am typing this around 4:30 EST, not to sound abrasive but I am curious so I can keep a more watchful eye on said MSs.

As for the video, this is what is known as the "burden of evidence" or "burden of proof," you made the statement so we expect some form of proof or it is very hard to believe; it does come across as a player who does not know the game well yet will call hacks.

You said its not worth it but that is entirely false. Provide proof and you will have more strength to your statements, players could possibly be banned, and devs can see said hacks in the works to know what to look for if you send them the clips via customer service likely. With this game being ported, there is likely going to be more eyes on the game to make sure they can get the port and servers running well and mitigate problems like hackers and abusers, especially since many have been waiting for a port for a while.

EDIT
After posting I see a reply with a list of some MSs. I also realize that said list was origianally posted in a more paragraph like format rather than a bullet point-like list, thats on me.

Thanks for the positive thinking. for pvp games reports only work when the company wants to reduce or control the amount of illegal users or accounts. this game is not one of them, it's an old ps network based pvp game and Bandai does not put expect on it any more.
you must proof something let people trust and let them know what happened, if you wanna save them or the bad situation of online game, however that is not what i do.
if people will get trouble they get trouble, they die they die, nothing changes, i just give a shot to people who wanna save them self.
the smart one will take care of those things, keep an eye on some MS's actions during the match. Instead of doing my best to help people, i just bring some useful information to any one who wanna protect him- or herself.
tell people there are mines forward, smart one lives dead one dies.
sorry to say that but the rest of the story is not my business.

[pseudo]

seems like a lotta words just to say "I'm too lazy to take a video to substantiate my claim"

[Nope]

Just learn the game kid.

[Ectype Kowlefe]

Yall, don't bother. This is a textbook case of cognitive dissonance as they're focusing on the game being old and not realizing that since it was just ported the devs will keep a somewhat, and hopeful, decent eye on it. The whole thing, along with the deflecting of comments even if veiled with pleasantry, comes across as a whiner who wants their way and no other. The consistent refusal to provide or gather video proof is more than enough to see.

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Yall, don't bother. This is a textbook case of cognitive dissonance as they're focusing on the game being old and not realizing that since it was just ported the devs will keep a somewhat, and hopeful, decent eye on it. The whole thing, along with the deflecting of comments even if veiled with pleasantry, comes across as a whiner who wants their way and no other. The consistent refusal to provide or gather video proof is more than enough to see.

yeap, that is exactly why people are waiting for others to do the things for them self.
don't wait people to find those cheater again and make a video, wait hunter track animals for getting you meat?
Anyone find that some one has the same action like listed by using those MS, can take a video, it is not a sculpture standing there.
so that's why i said dead one still dead, waiting is good, it bring people to own dream.

[pseudo]

I've played nearly a hundred games by now and I haven't seen a single cheater. The only thing that's dead here is your brain.

[Ectype Kowlefe]

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Yall, don't bother. This is a textbook case of cognitive dissonance as they're focusing on the game being old and not realizing that since it was just ported the devs will keep a somewhat, and hopeful, decent eye on it. The whole thing, along with the deflecting of comments even if veiled with pleasantry, comes across as a whiner who wants their way and no other. The consistent refusal to provide or gather video proof is more than enough to see.

yeap, that is exactly why people are waiting for others to do the things for them self.
don't wait people to find those cheater again and make a video, wait hunter track animals for getting you meat?
Anyone find that some one has the same action like listed by using those MS, can take a video, it is not a sculpture standing there.
so that's why i said dead one still dead, waiting is good, it bring people to own dream.

As someone who hasn't run into these issues, and others in the discussion having the same lack of experience, we need proof otherwise your comments frequently try to deflect. Get us proof or it is simply anecdotal. Many people have explained the reason why most of your complaints happen.

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I've played nearly a hundred games by now and I haven't seen a single cheater. The only thing that's dead here is your brain.

you are talking about that you never see any ant so there is no ant anywhere.
good world with dream and hope you are satisfied with it.

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yeap, that is exactly why people are waiting for others to do the things for them self.
don't wait people to find those cheater again and make a video, wait hunter track animals for getting you meat?
Anyone find that some one has the same action like listed by using those MS, can take a video, it is not a sculpture standing there.
so that's why i said dead one still dead, waiting is good, it bring people to own dream.

As someone who hasn't run into these issues, and others in the discussion having the same lack of experience, we need proof otherwise your comments frequently try to deflect. Get us proof or it is simply anecdotal. Many people have explained the reason why most of your complaints happen.

i am sorry? i put the MS list at #8 and i guess anyone checked it has no problem with what i said.
people are explaining why it will happen in spacial case, but it was not that case.