wait gun tanks can sortie into space?

[Khergit Horse Archer]

wot? doesn't that mean any suit *SHOULD* be able to sortie into space

[guts' theme (Cut & Looped)]

Only the OG Guntank which makes sense if you watch the OG show.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by guts' theme (Cut & Looped):

Only the OG Guntank which makes sense if you watch the OG show.

idk in space theres no drag, so any thrusters would be adequate but somehow aquatic suits can't sortie in space even though the environment is similar

[Aldain]

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

Originally posted by guts' theme (Cut & Looped):

Only the OG Guntank which makes sense if you watch the OG show.

idk in space theres no drag, so any thrusters would be adequate but somehow aquatic suits can't sortie in space even though the environment is similar

Could be issues with the differences in pressure, after all sub-aquatic suits would need to be designed for high pressure at depths while space has none, not sure if that would cause issues or not since I'm no physicist though.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by Aldain:

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

idk in space theres no drag, so any thrusters would be adequate but somehow aquatic suits can't sortie in space even though the environment is similar

Could be issues with the differences in pressure, after all sub-aquatic suits would need to be designed for high pressure at depths while space has none, not sure if that would cause issues or not since I'm no physicist though.

would just mean the suit has more mass due to the pressure shielding with dense materials like steel for example, would just be less agile and mobile.

unless the suit itself uses specialized aquatic propulsion like turbines, i would think aquatic suits should still be deployable in space

edit: iirc real life space stations are already kitted out with dense materials or mediums to shield out radiation, and i think are quite similar to pressure shielding

[DDENN]

guntank can use in space, while normal ms in space cant walk in ground since its leg cant support the weight with gravity as earth. but rick dom can do it in this game lol, there also rick dias, and dias is gone.

[Sparse Dunes]

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

Originally posted by Aldain:

Could be issues with the differences in pressure, after all sub-aquatic suits would need to be designed for high pressure at depths while space has none, not sure if that would cause issues or not since I'm no physicist though.

would just mean the suit has more mass due to the pressure shielding with dense materials like lead for example, would just be less agile and mobile.

unless the suit itself uses specialized aquatic propulsion like turbines, i would think aquatic suits should still be deployable in space

I mean...they did build this in Igloo

https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/MSM-07Di_Ze%27Gok

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by Sparse Dunes:

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

would just mean the suit has more mass due to the pressure shielding with dense materials like lead for example, would just be less agile and mobile.

unless the suit itself uses specialized aquatic propulsion like turbines, i would think aquatic suits should still be deployable in space

I mean...they did build this in Igloo

https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/MSM-07Di_Ze%27Gok

that thing is dropped from a drop ship in the atmosphere i think, and it doesn't really "fly", more so glides due to the way they had to deploy it from the drop ship

but most of this knowledge comes from me playing sd gundam g genesis and that ms igloo's story though, so i'm not really educated on this suit in particular

don't remember if that suit is deployable in space either lol

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by DDENN:

guntank can use in space, while normal ms in space cant walk in ground since its leg cant support the weight with gravity as earth. but rick dom can do it in this game lol, there also rick dias, and dias is gone.

oh yea i always forget which one is deployable on land or space

so confusing

[Tazuto]

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

Originally posted by guts' theme (Cut & Looped):

Only the OG Guntank which makes sense if you watch the OG show.

idk in space theres no drag, so any thrusters would be adequate but somehow aquatic suits can't sortie in space even though the environment is similar

underwater/space are complete opposites. underwater crushes you, space pulls you apart

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by Tazuto:

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

idk in space theres no drag, so any thrusters would be adequate but somehow aquatic suits can't sortie in space even though the environment is similar

underwater/space are complete opposites. underwater crushes you, space pulls you apart

you say that but i think i've read they used to train astronauts in a pool for space station missions

[RX-3DR]

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

you say that but i think i've read they used to train astronauts in a pool for space station missions

I think it's more to simulate a harsh environment where you're wearing a rigid suit. Being deep underwater has tons of pressure pushing against you. Space is a vacuum while our human bodies are made to exist in a pressurized environment. Pressured internal space will push itself out because the vacuum outside has no resistance.

I think it's more of a matter of if they have sufficient propulsion to function in space reliably. The GP01 had massive problems in space that had to be fixed with the FB and those restrictions are translated in this game.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by RX-3DR:

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

you say that but i think i've read they used to train astronauts in a pool for space station missions

I think it's more to simulate a harsh environment where you're wearing a rigid suit. Being deep underwater has tons of pressure pushing against you. Space is a vacuum while our human bodies are made to exist in a pressurized environment. Pressured internal space will push itself out because the vacuum outside has no resistance.

I think it's more of a matter of if they have sufficient propulsion to function in space reliably. The GP01 had massive problems in space that had to be fixed with the FB and those restrictions are translated in this game.

i agree, and on that note, it's still kinda silly to wrap my head around seeing gun tanks in space though

[Riptor]

They showed what would happen with a Zaku 2-J (ground variant) in zero gravity in one of the MS IGLOO episodes, the one about the Zudah.

They dont have any vernier thrusters, and their center of balance is off. They couldnt fire their weapons without being pushed around into random directions and would become target practice for suits that where made for zero gravity combat.

The same would happen to aquatic MS: They simply do not have the thrusters to balance themselves in space and would become incredibly bad firing platforms since ever shot would wildly fling them around.

The OG Guntank does have vernier thrusters that allow them to operate in space, most likely because it was intended to work on the outside surface of colonies... but thats just speculation on my part.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by Riptor:

They showed what would happen with a Zaku 2-J (ground variant) in zero gravity in one of the MS IGLOO episodes, the one about the Zudah.

They dont have any vernier thrusters, and their center of balance is off. They couldnt fire their weapons without being pushed around into random directions and would become target practice for suits that where made for zero gravity combat.

The same would happen to aquatic MS: They simply do not have the thrusters to balance themselves in space and would become incredibly bad firing platforms since ever shot would wildly fling them around.

The OG Guntank does have vernier thrusters that allow them to operate in space, most likely because it was intended to work on the outside surface of colonies... but thats just speculation on my part.

plausible but if you look at how suits turn in GBO2 and other gundam games, i think they don't really use verniers to turn

verniers could be the crux of the issue but verniers in the case of gun tank would be tiny compared to it's main thrusters and could be implemented in those aquatic suits as well.

[MS-14A Gelgoog]

Originally posted by Sparse Dunes:

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

would just mean the suit has more mass due to the pressure shielding with dense materials like lead for example, would just be less agile and mobile.

unless the suit itself uses specialized aquatic propulsion like turbines, i would think aquatic suits should still be deployable in space

I mean...they did build this in Igloo

https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/MSM-07Di_Ze%27Gok

the Di'Zigok isn't really an MS though. it uses a Z'Gok as the firing control system for a disposal weapons platform.

As for why guntank can sortie in space:
Its a reference to how in the TV version of Mobile suit Gundam, the Gundam is used all the way through the show. Versus the movies where it's replaced by a 2nd guncannon before they depart from Jaburo.

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

Originally posted by Riptor:

They showed what would happen with a Zaku 2-J (ground variant) in zero gravity in one of the MS IGLOO episodes, the one about the Zudah.

They dont have any vernier thrusters, and their center of balance is off. They couldnt fire their weapons without being pushed around into random directions and would become target practice for suits that where made for zero gravity combat.

The same would happen to aquatic MS: They simply do not have the thrusters to balance themselves in space and would become incredibly bad firing platforms since ever shot would wildly fling them around.

The OG Guntank does have vernier thrusters that allow them to operate in space, most likely because it was intended to work on the outside surface of colonies... but thats just speculation on my part.

plausible but if you look at how suits turn in GBO2 and other gundam games, i think they don't really use verniers to turn

verniers could be the crux of the issue but verniers in the case of gun tank would be tiny compared to it's main thrusters and could be implemented in those aquatic suits as well.

they do, its just not animated.