Want to have fun? Better play another game.

[melasoma]

Every time I take a hero that I think could be fun to play and characters to play with it, the game itself just ends up not being fun since most other players end up with more luck and/or min maxing to climb ladder.. any others having that issue?

[Hisendam]

Well the game has some amount of rng. But in the long run a skillfull player wins more often. Joining the devs discord was really helpful for me to reach legend rank as the top players discuss their strategies there.

[Itsapaul]

Well the game is mostly RNG despite what the elitist twitch crowd will tell you, so that can happen. Personally I just play it for a few games and I'm done for the day; I can't take rng games too seriously though.

[MARTIN GEE]

Originally posted by Itsapaul:

Well the game is mostly RNG despite what the elitist twitch crowd will tell you, so that can happen. Personally I just play it for a few games and I'm done for the day; I can't take rng games too seriously though.

absolutely, im glad there are some people with common sense playing this game.

[Ashcarr]

Obviously the game isn't all RNG based or are you implying that legends are only legends because they got luckier? A new player could easily win against a legend player as long as luck was on their side? You see where your argument is falling apart, right?

Chances are good that if you're not at the legend tier, it's because you still have some learning to do and there's nothing wrong with that. I myself have been rollercoasting between 2200-2400 rating and it's because I know my opponents are better at the game than me, not because they got luckier.

[Zlehtnoba]

Originally posted by Ashcarr:

Obviously the game isn't all RNG based or are you implying that legends are only legends because they got luckier? A new player could easily win against a legend player as long as luck was on their side? You see where your argument is falling apart, right?

Chances are good that if you're not at the legend tier, it's because you still have some learning to do and there's nothing wrong with that. I myself have been rollercoasting between 2200-2400 rating and it's because I know my opponents are better at the game than me, not because they got luckier.

Yes, with a highroll, a 1500 player can win against a 4000 player. No problem.

Skill will get you top fours, which, as the devs say, counts as a win. For the top spot, you need to get lucky. Top players get to the top by not ending brawls in the losing positions, and taking full advantage of their lucky breaks.

Admitedly, us plebs sometimes fail to see a lucky break, since some are not obvious. There certainly is a learning curve there.

[MARTIN GEE]

Originally posted by Zlehtnoba:

Originally posted by Ashcarr:

Obviously the game isn't all RNG based or are you implying that legends are only legends because they got luckier? A new player could easily win against a legend player as long as luck was on their side? You see where your argument is falling apart, right?

Chances are good that if you're not at the legend tier, it's because you still have some learning to do and there's nothing wrong with that. I myself have been rollercoasting between 2200-2400 rating and it's because I know my opponents are better at the game than me, not because they got luckier.

Yes, with a highroll, a 1500 player can win against a 4000 player. No problem.

Skill will get you top fours, which, as the devs say, counts as a win. For the top spot, you need to get lucky. Top players get to the top by not ending brawls in the losing positions, and taking full advantage of their lucky breaks.

Admitedly, us plebs sometimes fail to see a lucky break, since some are not obvious. There certainly is a learning curve there.

as a top300 player from last season, i can confirm that

[tmaddox]

Originally posted by Zlehtnoba:

Yes, with a highroll, a 1500 player can win against a 4000 player. No problem.

Sounds a bit like Poker, on any given day a bad player can beat the best player in the world if the cards run good for him.

There is RNG in this game no doubt about it and I imagine at the higher levels that it boils down to mostly RNG because those players know all of the optimal builds, and what cards you can focus a build on. They know when to pivot to a new build. Overall they are more knowledgeable.

While I, as a mediocre player, could possibly win a match against a Legend player the odds are that 80% or 90% of the time their superior knowledge means they beat me with a better build, regardless of the rng.

[Hisendam]

Originally posted by tmaddox:

Originally posted by Zlehtnoba:

Yes, with a highroll, a 1500 player can win against a 4000 player. No problem.

Sounds a bit like Poker, on any given day a bad player can beat the best player in the world if the cards run good for him.

I have played thousands of online poker tournaments and the amount of tourneys/sit&goes you have to play to beat the rng is far bigger than in this game (at least as long as Baby Bugbear stays removed ;-)).

[Xuande]

But Chris Moneymaker...(aka a big part of the poker boom, because Joe Average spiked a big televised event).

[Zlehtnoba]

Originally posted by Hisendam:

Originally posted by tmaddox:

Sounds a bit like Poker, on any given day a bad player can beat the best player in the world if the cards run good for him.

I have played thousands of online poker tournaments and the amount of tourneys/sit&goes you have to play to beat the rng is far bigger than in this game (at least as long as Baby Bugbear stays removed ;-)).

Baby Bugbear is removed? That's great news. Where was this posted? Discord?

[Hisendam]

Originally posted by Zlehtnoba:

Originally posted by Hisendam:

I have played thousands of online poker tournaments and the amount of tourneys/sit&goes you have to play to beat the rng is far bigger than in this game (at least as long as Baby Bugbear stays removed ;-)).

Baby Bugbear is removed? That's great news. Where was this posted? Discord?

yes: "Matthewn — 09/02/2021
@everyone we're temporarily removing baby bugbear while we figure out an update to it."

[DomS]

Originally posted by melasoma:

Every time I take a hero that I think could be fun to play and characters to play with it, the game itself just ends up not being fun since most other players end up with more luck and/or min maxing to climb ladder.. any others having that issue?

Sir have you tried .... getting good?

[Zlehtnoba]

Originally posted by DomS:

Originally posted by melasoma:

Every time I take a hero that I think could be fun to play and characters to play with it, the game itself just ends up not being fun since most other players end up with more luck and/or min maxing to climb ladder.. any others having that issue?

Sir have you tried .... getting good?

He was talking about having fun playing. I imagine most people know to pick Evil Princess or Prince Arthur or the totally broken Adventuress and win the game from there with a highroll, but that's not fun. If, on the other hand, you pick Peter Pants and try to build the spells comp, you will just get stomped by 15/15 upgraded princes on turn five. Losing the games to the same powerful, easy-to-build, ghero-ignoring builds is totally not fun.

[MARTIN GEE]

Originally posted by Zlehtnoba:

Originally posted by DomS:

Sir have you tried .... getting good?

He was talking about having fun playing. I imagine most people know to pick Evil Princess or Prince Arthur or the totally broken Adventuress and win the game from there with a highroll, but that's not fun. If, on the other hand, you pick Peter Pants and try to build the spells comp, you will just get stomped by 15/15 upgraded princes on turn five. Losing the games to the same powerful, easy-to-build, ghero-ignoring builds is totally not fun.

common sense, loving it!

[Xuande]

Originally posted by DomS:

Originally posted by melasoma:

Every time I take a hero that I think could be fun to play and characters to play with it, the game itself just ends up not being fun since most other players end up with more luck and/or min maxing to climb ladder.. any others having that issue?

Sir have you tried .... getting good?

Less fun than you'd think.

Each patch is adding more variance than the previous, which makes it frustrating to stay on top when combined with an Elo system that doesn't accurately gauge player skill - and how could it?