I can't do yellow science.

[Nightwing]

In my current (and first) run through DSP, I've encountered a bit of an obstacle: I currently can't use yellow science.

I have a steady 90 science per minute, but that's currently only in blue and red science. To use yellow science, I'd have to get all 3 science types produced on the same planet. My issue is that in my home system, red and yellow science can't be produced on the same planet. Red science uses hydrogen, and yellow uses titanium. I don't have a single planet where I have an oil seep and titanium vein on the same planet. I also don't have cross-planetary logistics, yet, since that's locked behind Yellow science.

Can I get some ideas on how to resolve this? Or am I just going to have to manually ferry hydrogen and titanium back and forth?

[Ettanin]

To get Titanium, you will have to leave your current planet and manually ferry bulks of titanium to your main planet. There are upgrades which enable you to fly, then later sail, in the mecha upgrade research tab.

[Coops]

Titanium is never on a starting planet. However, oil always is. Look closer to the poles or on the other side of the planet from your starting area.
The game is set up so that you have to travel to one of the other planets to get titanium and ferry it back to the home world. Once you make a few trips you should have enough to make an ISLS and use logistic vessels to move the Ti

If possible, pick a planet that has both titanium and silicon so you can use the same logistics tower for both.

[teron]

Originally posted by Nightwing:

Can I get some ideas on how to resolve this? Or am I just going to have to manually ferry hydrogen and titanium back and forth?

You would want to ferry titanium manually since it is more inventory dense (e.g. higher units per stack) then hydrogen. Also it is possible to hand carry a bunch, just don't drop it in space
Then dump it into a storage box to feed lines till you have Intersteller logistics stations setup.

Note you also want to set aside some titanium that you are carrying to make hardened titanium. Since that is needed for making the ISLs and logistics ships to automate moving product between worlds.

Also ships/drones become much better after getting speed/storage upgrades.

[Nightwing]

So... Just gotta do manual ferrying until I get the interstellar logistics stuff? That sucks, but I can do it.

As for having the titanium and silicon on the same planet, my second planet actually has titanium, silicon, iron, and copper, all in close proximity to eachother, so I've done some minor automation and gotten the first electronics packages done, along with silicon and titanium ingots. Those lines are currently running on wind, since the planet has a 110% wind effect. I haven't quite gotten around to placing coal generators, yet, but that's on the to-do list. I just have to work out the best coal-derived fuel to feed my generators with.

There's also a magma planet in my system, and I'm hoping to use that as a thermoelectric power hub. I've already got the relevant generator tech researched. I just haven't gone to that planet, yet. I don't really have a reason to go quite yet, either.

I'm also hoping to start harvesting hydrogen and deuterium from my home planet's host body. That should resolve at least some of my power and science issues.

[teron]

Originally posted by Nightwing:

I'm also hoping to start harvesting hydrogen and deuterium from my home planet's host body. That should resolve at least some of my power and science issues.

Just be aware that orbital collector output is greatly influenced by your levels of veins utilization. Since the collecting first has to cover the power needs of the station, with the remainder being exported, thus higher level of veins utilization = more product exported since it increases the collection rate but not the station's power consumption.

[Bobucles]

Veins utilization is a huge bonus to orbital collecting. They start by burning around half of their resources for upkeep, so the initial collection rate is much lower than you might think. Every resource boost is pure profit.

[Nekogod]

So... Just gotta do manual ferrying until I get the interstellar logistics stuff? That sucks, but I can do it.

You don't need much. I think you only need 200 structure matrix to unlock interstellar logistics.

Also it's worth noting you can carry items in your hand - far more than will fit in your inventory.

Set up an empty MK2 storage on your starter planet

Set up automated titanium mining on your titanium planet and have it going into another MK2 container.

Once it's full hold ctrl and right click and slide all the way to the right, all 6000 titanium will be attached your cursor, you can then fly back to your starter planet and dump it all in the empty storage.

This is enough titanium for the 200 yellow cubes your first 10-20 PLS and ILS and drones/vessels and a decent amount of hydrogen fuel cells. You'll be automatically ferrying titanium long before you run out of that initial lot.

Re coal power, both other planets in the start system have very little coal, much better off with solar/wind or burning excess hydrogen until you need it for casimir crystals. At which point you can switch to duet/fusion (or accumulators) if renewables aren't cutting it.

[Chewtoy]

Step 1 | Fly to a planet with titanium
Step 2 | drop miners and smelters and power, mine and smelt the titanium
Step 3 | remove all items from inventory
Step 4 | load up full inventory with titanium bars
Step 5 | fly to home planet
Step 6 | fly back to the planet
Step 7 | load up full inventory
Step 8 | fly back to home planet
Step 9 | repeat step 6-8

[Nightwing]

In my current setup, all my hydrogen is going into red science. But I'm also only using 2 seeps of 3 point something oil/sec, feeding into 8 refineries. All the refined oil is being fed into generators to feed my power grid. When I start working on the other tech that uses oil, I'm going to tap into some of the other oil nodes on my planet.

[shoobers]

If you already have yellow science made, just do the above with what they're saying about titanium *AND BRING THAT YELLOW SCIENCE WITH YOU DIRECTLY FROM THE MATRIX LABS THEN PUT THEM IN THE RED/BLUE SCIENCE FILLED MATRIX LABS!!!"

[Nightwing]

Originally posted by shoobers:

*AND BRING THAT YELLOW SCIENCE WITH YOU DIRECTLY FROM THE MATRIX LABS THEN PUT THEM IN THE RED/BLUE SCIENCE FILLED MATRIX LABS!!!"

I've been manually transporting the raw material, and I'll be making the yellow science on my home world. I already have the labs set up.

Right now, though, I'm working on automating the transport items. I just got planetary logistics towers automated, and am planning on automating planetary drones next. After those are done, I'll work on automating interstellar drones I'm not going to bother automating interstellar towers quite yet, since I don't quite yet have the infrastructure to automate titanium alloy. For now, if I need an interstellar tower, I can hand make it on an as-needed basis.

[Dirkels]

PS: it is posible to find titanium on your home planet by manually harvesting the bigger rocks. Not much but it should be enough to build 2 Interstellar Logistics Stations and a vessel so you only have to fly to your titanium planet once to setup a mining (and optional smelting) facility with attached ILS (the ILS does not need to be powered, only the miners and smelters). Do bring some titanium back while your there anyway.

[kithron2]

Just bring in enough titanium ingots to build cubes necessary to unlock ILS and Logistics vessels. It'll actually be harder to build those first couple ILS. Once you got two ILS (starter planet importing and titanium planet exporting of course) and 10 logistics vessels you will not have a problem with Titanium anymore. Mass producing yellow will still be challenging though, its a pretty deep supply chain including oil products unless you find organic crystal deposits and those will never be in the home system.

[Nightwing]

I've already got organic crystals somewhat automated. It's slow, true, but it's still automated. I've already placed my ILS towers, and actually have one ILS drone built so far. I'm working on getting some more of those, but it's slow going since my power grid isn't quite yet able to support an ILS tower. Hopefully adding some more thermal generators run off of my excess hydrogen should resolve that. My second planet has 110% wind, so I've been using wind turbines on that one. That planet actually has Steel, Silicon slabs, and Titanium slabs all automated. It's just a matter of transporting them, but running an ILS tower entirely on wind is proving to be a bigger challenge than I thought. Fun challenge, though.

[kithron2]

ILS are power hogs, true. But the power draw declines as it gets closer to full, unless it has high throughput, keeping up should be fairly easy. Reduce the recharge to 30MW to mitigate the draw when it first starts up. Once you get better power you can bump it up, but the first time you use them, oof!