Performance

[Evil Tidings]

Howdy fellas, long time no see and nice to meet the newer people...I think? Anyways some time back I remember a debate going on regarding thread usage settings and how using them all (i.e 12 of 12) isn't really "optimal" for DSP's performance. Anyone still find that to be true?

The reason I'm asking is because I upgraded my hardware today. Ryzen 5 1600 to a Ryzen 9 5900X, rx 460 GPU to an RTX 3060TI. finally I added an M.2 ssd where I only had a plain ssd before. Still waiting on the new RAM to arrive though I honestly probably didn't need it.

So, hardware upgraded, I started DSP on my old file after moving it to the new ssd and I'm getting maybe 120FPS in space compared to the old 50-60 and almost crashed the game after moving into a O-Type cluster with 10 sphere layers.... haven't gotten my mods running yet for the sphere hiding
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went from 120 to 4 FPS so fast... it was incredible. So better FPS overall but handles the real clusterduck no better than the old hardware... weird right? anyways... thoughts? With the better GPU I expected a bit better but there's every possibility that I haven't set something up correctly in my settings

[Zigamus]

Dyson doesn't only impact the GPU hard, it does the CPU as well, if you are running in minimal RAM at the moment, that could be a lot of your issue. Once you can hide the layers of that sphere you will see better performance. The spheres and swarms still hit the system hard, they have recently done another performance boost but it still has a ways to go. Also the save-game size, is constantly being optimized to take much less storage space.

[Laserak]

Did you properly DDU the old AMD GPU Drivers? Cause, while the guy above me is correct, you should notice an increase from a crappy RX 460 to a REAL gpu.

[Evil Tidings]

Originally posted by Laserak:

Did you properly DDU the old AMD GPU Drivers? Cause, while the guy above me is correct, you should notice an increase from a crappy RX 460 to a REAL gpu.

My old MOBO didn't have the right chipset for the AMD 5000 series cpu's so I needed to upgrade that too, That combined with the new ssd... in the end I formatted my old ssd, re-bought windows 10 because the only key they had saved to my account was for my laptop (and that after making sure it was linked to my desktop) So I essentially have a whole new pc. does that answer your question? never seen "DDU" before so I'm hoping it did lmao

[Evil Tidings]

According the performance overlay (I'm on a small planet with a decent amount of activity on it)

50-60 FPS,
20-30% CPU Utilization
60-70% GPU Utilization
57C GPU temp... dunno why but it doesn't list CPU temp lol

Ryzen Master FTW... 56C... conveniently consistent lol

[Laserak]

Ah right, then you should be fine on the driver front.
What is the current ram situation? I know you mentioned you ordered some, but it hasn't shown up yet. Ryzen is really dependent on memory for SC performance.

While this game HAMMERS the GPU. (In ways that other games do not), it also still uses a strong SC. (not to say it's not very multi-threaded as well).

For example, with my 5800x + 6900xt I sit at 144 usually (I frame cap, to my monitors) when I land on a forge world, my GPU is still only at 86%, but my FPS dips to 83-93, and a couple of my CPU cores are sitting at 90%+. I'm running 3600CL14 memory

[Evil Tidings]

Originally posted by Laserak:

Ah right, then you should be fine on the driver front.
What is the current ram situation? I know you mentioned you ordered some, but it hasn't shown up yet. Ryzen is really dependent on memory for SC performance.

While this game HAMMERS the GPU. (In ways that other games do not), it also still uses a strong SC. (not to say it's not very multi-threaded as well).

For example, with my 5800x + 6900xt I sit at 144 usually (I frame cap, to my monitors) when I land on a forge world, my GPU is still only at 86%, but my FPS dips to 83-93, and a couple of my CPU cores are sitting at 90%+. I'm running 3600CL14 memory

RAM is currently nothing special, 2x8GB sticks at 2400MHz I cancelled the other sticks actually a few hours ago to use that money somewhere more pressing so this is what I have for now. My monitor is definitely an issue as well, 1080p 60hz. very basic these days lol but it was nice at the time... if I thought I could get it to work nicely I'd use my tv over this thing but it's not worth the headache.

[Laserak]

That ram speed is certainly holding your chip back. (All my numbers are at 1440p) I would HIGHLY advise a good set of DDR4 3600CL14 (3600CL16 is fine if you wanna scrap pennies)
But pairing Zen 3 with that slow memory is a travesty.

[Evil Tidings]

Originally posted by Laserak:

That ram speed is certainly holding your chip back. (All my numbers are at 1440p) I would HIGHLY advise a good set of DDR4 3600CL14 (3600CL16 is fine if you wanna scrap pennies)
But pairing Zen 3 with that slow memory is a travesty.

Alrighty, New Ram. 32gb 3600MHz and I made sure to OC it in my BIOS so it's definitely running at top speed but not noticing much of a difference. Waiting on the new monitor, hoping it comes in Sunday and doesn't have any dead pixels because none of the local stores have much in the way of monitors sadly so online is my best bet.

[Laserak]

Hm, do you perhaps have TPM enabled? I haven't personally had problem with this, I'm not sure why, maybe it's because X470 motherboard, maybe because the 5800x is a single CCD, either way, worth looking at:
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-responds-to-performance-issues-surrounding-ftpm-on-ryzen-cpus-w-windows-11/

[Inkotron]

My cpu hangs around 40% - gpu around 60- have tried to get the game to actually use my hardware, doesn’t go above that. 700MB game file also doesn’t help with 12s save times (wd extreme gaming m.2).

Game just slows to a halt very late game. Becomes unplayable really.

[Laserak]

Seems like a SC bottleneck to be honest.
Doesn't matter if you have the fastest GPU ever made, if the CPU can't feed it fast enough it will sleep.

I don't know enough about the engine to know precisely what is going on, but I imagine you're playing a much larger save than myself, I usually get bored after the 2nd dyson sphere.

[Evil Tidings]

Originally posted by Seige:

My cpu hangs around 40% - gpu around 60- have tried to get the game to actually use my hardware, doesn’t go above that. 700MB game file also doesn’t help with 12s save times (wd extreme gaming m.2).

Game just slows to a halt very late game. Becomes unplayable really.

Man before their last optimization my game file was nearly 2GB, it was awful waiting for it to save and I wasn't using an M.2 either.

[Evil Tidings]

Originally posted by Laserak:

Seems like a SC bottleneck to be honest.
Doesn't matter if you have the fastest GPU ever made, if the CPU can't feed it fast enough it will sleep.

I don't know enough about the engine to know precisely what is going on, but I imagine you're playing a much larger save than myself, I usually get bored after the 2nd dyson sphere.

somewhere between 300 and 500 MB I think... used to be 1.5ish GB.

[Evil Tidings]

Originally posted by Laserak:

Hm, do you perhaps have TPM enabled? I haven't personally had problem with this, I'm not sure why, maybe it's because X470 motherboard, maybe because the 5800x is a single CCD, either way, worth looking at:
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-responds-to-performance-issues-surrounding-ftpm-on-ryzen-cpus-w-windows-11/

I'll have to look into it. For now though I got my monitor early and I need to test this baby out. lol

[kris44dad]

Originally posted by Vispher101:

Howdy fellas, long time no see and nice to meet the newer people...I think? Anyways some time back I remember a debate going on regarding thread usage settings and how using them all (i.e 12 of 12) isn't really "optimal" for DSP's performance. Anyone still find that to be true?

The reason I'm asking is because I upgraded my hardware today. Ryzen 5 1600 to a Ryzen 9 5900X, rx 460 GPU to an RTX 3060TI. finally I added an M.2 ssd where I only had a plain ssd before. Still waiting on the new RAM to arrive though I honestly probably didn't need it.

So, hardware upgraded, I started DSP on my old file after moving it to the new ssd and I'm getting maybe 120FPS in space compared to the old 50-60 and almost crashed the game after moving into a O-Type cluster with 10 sphere layers.... haven't gotten my mods running yet for the sphere hiding
:{

went from 120 to 4 FPS so fast... it was incredible. So better FPS overall but handles the real clusterduck no better than the old hardware... weird right? anyways... thoughts? With the better GPU I expected a bit better but there's every possibility that I haven't set something up correctly in my settings

Make sure you turn off anything that Nvidia calls an "enhancement". It may be gumming up the works.