Black Hole energy gathering?

[CREEPER2159]

Will this type of structure be added in the future? Since, the game has black holes, so it would be interesting and awesome (in my opinion), if you could be able to build black hole energy gathering structures.

I'd really want to know, if there is a chance, for this to get added into the game in the future?

Thanks in advance!

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Цитата допису Richard:

There is no link between the information of the Hawking radiation and the information of the original object. That link is what is severed by passing through the event horizon. You cannot extrapolate backwards from the Hawking radiation to determine the information of the original object.

There are many proposed solutions to the black hole information paradox. It's called a paradox because we don't know what happens to matter that falls into a black hole. Your view used to be popular a few decades ago but has since fallen out of favor.
See the Wikipedia page on the black hole information paradox if you're interested in reading more about it.

[GAMING_Alligator]

Цитата допису Sekzon:

Цитата допису Sono:

The simple truth is, we don't know enough about the quantum mechanics that underpin reality, and make up our observable universe. Given enough time, I think we could figure out anything we set our minds to, including harnessing singularities, or unraveling them for the energy and information that is inside without causing some disaster.

I agree ( and for sure disclaimed for myself hehe ) that we don't know enough but I am not sure if we actually are able to figure everything out. like if we were some kind of programm - you know the theories - but if we are and I keep it simple. maybe the class Human has no getter for it if you catch my drift. then it is impossible since the information required is encapsulated in another class where class Human has no access to and no getter to pull it and if somehow an instance of Human was able to breach into the encapsulation it would become a code mutation and a runtime error for the universe would be somewhat bad ^^

I suspect reality is more resilient than the average Java program.

[AchmedSchachbrett]

Цитата допису InteraMR TTV:

You cant pull energy out of a black hole, its physically imposible, just like you cant travel in time

Time travelling is in fact possible as described by the theory of relativity, better known as time dilation. Even though this is not like stepping into a machine and coming out in the future its effectively still time travelling into the future at a much faster speed (or slower time) than we experience it on earth. Whats very likely not possible is travelling into the past because it would pretty much mess up the whole universe.

[krs]

this thread is a year old why are you replying

[Stretchytall]

Цитата допису Captain Chris:

That'd be a very interesting feature to be included. Maybe have something that's mentioned in this video by Kurzgesagt?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulCdoCfw-bY

*mindblown*

[lokieid]

InteraMR TTV

Hawking radiation is literally particles escaping black holes event horizon.

Also, you wouldn't throw stuff into it. You would use its gravitational force to speed things up going around it. That's probably the easiest way to get energy from a black hole.

The black hole farmers in the future would collide black holes together and harvest the energy from that ridiculous gravitational event. When massive objects collide, they speed up. thats free energy. If you could figure out a way to get to it.

[lokieid]

Цитата допису AchmedSchachbrett:

Цитата допису InteraMR TTV:

You cant pull energy out of a black hole, its physically imposible, just like you cant travel in time

Time travelling is in fact possible as described by the theory of relativity, better known as time dilation. Even though this is not like stepping into a machine and coming out in the future its effectively still time travelling into the future at a much faster speed (or slower time) than we experience it on earth. Whats very likely not possible is travelling into the past because it would pretty much mess up the whole universe.

what about closed timelike curves?

Basically, you build a wormhole with an entry and exit, Somehow drag one end of that SOB a few lightyears at the speed of light. Lets say you traveled for 100 years real time. Subjectively, you and the end of the wormhole you dragged spent 1400 years to get there.

When you go through the wormhole you dragged for 1400 years, you will be taken to the other end 1300 years ago. With only the 100 years of travel time you experienced counting. So you effectively made a "tunnel through time"

Closed Timelike curves are the only time travel option available under general relativity.
And if spacetime allows for warp travel like in the game, it must allow for closed timelike curves.

Which also kinda sucks because if you can deform spacetime to warp with the alcubierre drive IRL, then you can build a CTC too. And basically thats magic.

[Nocturnal Immersion]

A few months after the last post... you know I skimmed through this thread. This is all worth a recap because I think at least a couple of people lost the plot.

A dude posted a thread on harvesting energy from a black hole because that sounds awesome and this game is about doing awesome things. Another dude linked a Kurzgesagt on some far fetched theoretical physics in response. An awesome idea suddenly became extra awesomer because: Black Hole Bombs. 'MURICA, F yeah! It was just a suggestion for a game that consists almost entirely of made up things based on theory, fact, and pure imagination. We are the pilot of a remote mech tasked with supplying energy to our civilization that now lives in virtual reality. The ultimate goal is to build impossible megastructures using our made up technology to generate the highest number possible and add, to the end of that number, a "watts" or "joules" to power that civilization.

Remember, a dude simply suggested that we do some cool ♥♥♥♥ in a game, and another dude linked a Kurzgesagt video describing some crazy ♥♥♥♥. This is where it gets good. Then some other dude said, "That's not possible!" Impossible-man spent over 24 hours losing his MF'ing mind to defend his opinion as if it F'ing mattered at all in the context of our absurd science fiction logistics game. I'm LOLing. If it bothers you that I typed "extra awesomer", I'm just F'ing with you. Thanks, internet. I can go to sleep with a smile on my face.

[Inkotron]

Цитата допису InteraMR:

You cant pull energy out of a black hole, its physically imposible, just like you cant travel in time

it’s a game.

[Helen Carnate]

A necro of a necro. Amazing.

[Nocturnal Immersion]

It's entertaining enough I thought it was worth it. xD

[rabureta]

Black Hole Bombs are scary. Noriko used one to stop the Space Monsters and 10,000 years later the black hole hatched into a black-hole-sized Space Monster.

[Winetoo]

I don't understand why are you fighting over real physics in a science fiction game... to answer OPs question... there already is a mod that makes use of black holes, to provide production of some items.

The mod is "MoreMegaStructure" by jinxOAO
https://dsp.thunderstore.io/package/jinxOAO/MoreMegaStructure/

This mod adds:
Matter Decompressor for black holes
Science Nexus
Warp Field Broadcast Array
Interstellar Assembly
Crystal Reconstructor
Nicoll-Dyson Beam

[Black Jesus]

Цитата допису InteraMR:

You cant pull energy out of a black hole, its physically imposible, just like you cant travel in time

You can google Penrose Process. I found this Stanford article talking about two energy extraction methods to pull energy off a black hole.

http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2011/ph240/nagasawa2/

[Shiva]

Цитата допису InteraMR:

Цитата допису Sono:

There is a way to get energy from black holes. I won't bother trying to explain it when others have done way better than I could ever hope to. Give this a watch if you want some ideas, or reliable information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qam5BkXIEhQ

Listen, i understand that its hard to understand, but you and the guy in the video made one big mistake, you assumed that you can use normal laws of physics, on a general relativity platform. but its cats and dogs.

Nothing escapes a black hole, im not sure in how many more ways i can say it
its a law, mathematics, there are no exceptions to it

Matter
Liquids
Energy
Light
Cats and Dogs
NOTHING escapes from a singularity pull

If memory serves, the above is actually inaccurate. Hawking radiation is still a thing as far as mathmatics is concerned. That said, its not really an amount of energy that matters.

And energy CAN be retrieved from anything outside the event horizon. The large plasma ring that orbits a black hole is a tremendous amount of energy that isn't currently past the point of no return. (although I can't even begin to theorize how you would retrieve/use it)

Statistically speaking, most objects that pass near a black hole actually don't get swallowed by it, but instead get ejected back into the void without ever passing into the event horizon. The pull from the gravitational well is immense, but it still requires the object to have a specific angle/speed to get pulled in, just like any object in space would interact with any other stellar body (or most commonly, stars)

With all that said, there is no way currently known to science that allows us to retrieve anything from past the event horizon of a black hole. This means that they are, just like all other things, a finite source of energy that does in fact run out. Just like physics says it does.

A far more reasonable approach and more likely scenario is a civilization using dyson swarms. Spheres are impractical because of the gravitational influence of a star, which in turn pulls in debris/asteroids/etc, causing damage to the sphere/superstructure.