LAPTOP OVERHEATING ISSUES FIX

[Pizza]

Hello everyone,

Some time ago I created a topic asking if anyone had a similar problem to mine, where you play this particular game on a gaming laptop and it gets to 90C

Again. Completely ignore everyone saying the following:
-It's normal for a laptop to be 90C
-Clean your fans
-Your machine is old/trash

-> This adds nothing to the argument and is borderline amature.

->As well as know this: There isn't a single laptop that doesn't overheat while runing modern games. Some of the laptops are even programed to go full power as soon as a game is launched, so, of course, you will overheat the system. It is normal procedure. However, if you don't want your laptop to break in 2 years, you need to fix this.. If you run your laptop at 90C you will burn a capasitor or some other part eventually, because trust me, manufacturers do not spend extra on high quality solder.

THE ISSUE:

Most games use either the CPU more or the GPU more. There are very few games that use both properly and evenly. As such, on a PC this is not a problem. On a laptop this becomes a problem very quickly. Because if the CPU heats up -> The GPU heats up, as those are usually connected to the same heat sink. And vice versa.

Dyson spehere uses mainly the GPU. -> Problem for laptops.

THE FIX:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xAu4z5t7LE

It's a video that is 8 minutes long and belongs to the creator in the video. Basically he explains how you can manage your power to each part of your laptop and prevent it from
"flooring it" when running games.


I hope this helps people out and, please, don't misguide others by "guessing" the solution.
Cheers!

[Selection]

*Overheating laptop fix

[Regicide]

Much appreciated!

I don't own a Laptop myself, but it's really great if people find a solution and then share it to others. Nothing worse then people who post "Ha! Fixed it! Ty" but don't tell others who suffer the same "how" they fixed it. =)

Edit: And Devious is right, you might change the title so it becomes more precise and easier to find for Laptop users, though his post allready will make this thread pop up in the search now.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by Regicide:

Much appreciated!

I don't own a Laptop myself, but it's really great if people find a solution and then share it to others. Nothing worse then people who post "Ha! Fixed it! Ty" but don't tell others who suffer the same "how" they fixed it. =)

Edit: And Devious is right, you might change the title so it becomes more precise and easier to find for Laptop users, though his post allready will make this thread pop up in the search now.

lol right i have to agree with this, i've had countless bug threads i've created about something i've noticed, somehow fixed it and if i didnt' even realize how, post what i did since the last time the problem occurred and it usually results in someone figuring out what i did to fix it.

but basically, fix is to throttle your computers potential processing power from what i'm gleaming since the problem doesn't pertain to me and cant be bothered to watch the vid. kind of a crummy fix since your losing performance to prevent heat.

and again, if your buying laptops, that use crummy solder that melts at 90C, thats a poor consumer decision if your buying a laptop for gaming.

https://www.technic.com/sites/default/files/resources/Solder%20Alloy%20Melting%20Temperature.pdf

a quick google search brought me to this, and the ONLY solder that melts below 100C, is at 95C, which, desktop or laptop indeed, i would say if your at that operating temp, there is a cooling problem. but 85-90C is still operable if a tad unhealthy. getting a cooling deck to assist in airflow if your laptop gets poor airflow would help to fix this as well.

if all that is applied to the laptop, and it is STILL getting that hot without this fix, then the laptop design is ♥♥♥♥, i wouldnt get another one from that company because they forgot how heat exchange works best and should feel bad about their failure.

[Dealman]

So in other words, the issue was your laptop after all and not with the game itself.

Instead of throttling your laptop and having worse performance, look into ways of making it cool better. Upgrade fans, apply new and better thermal paste for both the CPU and GPU. There's a lot you can do to improve cooling in a laptop.

Originally posted by Xilo The Odd:

a quick google search brought me to this, and the ONLY solder that melts below 100C, is at 95C, which, desktop or laptop indeed, i would say if your at that operating temp, there is a cooling problem. but 85-90C is still operable if a tad unhealthy. getting a cooling deck to assist in airflow if your laptop gets poor airflow would help to fix this as well.

Those temps are in very specific areas, not overall ambient temp inside the laptop. So chances of solder melting is extremely unlikely.

[Unstator]

get a new pc

[supernet2]

Why.. wouldn't you allow the laptops built in thermal regulation to do its job...? You can technically get hacky and undervolt, and cpu/gpu limit processes deliberately to reduce the overheat but... like why? I guess if you keep it on your lap, yeah it makes sense. But the machines are designed for the heat i thought?

Edit: Well designed to handle the heat.

[mikeydsc]

Pssst - you need to read up on something called silver solder - no company that calls itself a board maker would even think about using regular solder.

Maybe Bill Murray said it best
Just the facts jack... or was it thats the fact jack?

[cswiger]

Originally posted by mikeydsc:

Pssst - you need to read up on something called silver solder - no company that calls itself a board maker would even think about using regular solder.

Silver solder has a melting point of around 620 C and is more properly called brazing since it is done with a welding torch rather than a soldering iron.

I am not aware of any hardware vendor outside of the audiophile realm which routinely uses silver solder. (I have a set of Thiel speakers which use silver solder, for a specific example.) Every PC motherboard that I am familiar with uses wave soldering with tin-lead or now ROHS lead-free solder, which have melting points of 183 C and 217 C, respectively.

No electronic device gets anywhere near that temperature during normal operation. Most CPUs have TJmax of around 100C, and most video cards start downclocking at 90 C or less.

[mikeydsc]

You are partially correct cswiger. It all depends on the amount of Sn in the formula.

[kris44dad]

Cool, literally. As long as the game performs with this config, its all good.

[cswiger]

Originally posted by mikeydsc:

You are partially correct cswiger. It all depends on the amount of Sn in the formula.

60-40 tin/lead solder is the standard solder used in electronics (prior to ROHS, anyway), and is very close to the eutectic point:

https://fctsolder.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Phase-Diagram.png

Pure tin has a melting point of 232 C. ROHS compliant solder like SAC305 is a lead-free alloy that contains 96.5% tin, 3% silver, and 0.5% copper and melts at 217 C.

[Pizza]

To every dumbass listing Tin melting temperatures:

We're talking about continuous 90C game over 2 years. If you think that will not damage your laptop, there's no helping you. You are the best customer a laptop developer can ever have. Keep relying on google, it can't lie to you.

[Nekogod]

Originally posted by Pizza:

To every dumbass listing Tin melting temperatures:

We're talking about continuous 90C game over 2 years. If you think that will not damage your laptop, there's no helping you. You are the best customer a laptop developer can ever have. Keep relying on google, it can't lie to you.

It's not gonna be though is it, it's gonna be a few hours at a time and they're designed to thermal throttle at a safe temperature.

[cswiger]

Originally posted by Pizza:

To every dumbass listing Tin melting temperatures:

Respect my chemistry superpowers and paint yourself green with envy, since I don't even need the internet to look such things up. Why, yes, @Pizza, I have a paper copy of the CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics.

We're talking about continuous 90C game over 2 years.

You weren't planning on sleeping anytime over the course of 2 years?
Might explain why someone is so grouchy....

If you think that will not damage your laptop, there's no helping you.

Your fallacy is known as the appeal to ignorance.

One reason why your remark is a particularly poor choice is that I spent more than a decade working for a large company (AAPL) that makes laptops. A reputable laptop vendor will use tantalum electrolytic capacitors which have a safe Tmax of 125 C, and will handle 12 hours a day at 90C with no issues whatsoever.

If you've purchased a cheap laptop with second-rate Chinese electrolytic capacitors that are only rated for 105 C, then operating the laptop for an extended period of time at 90 C is likely to be marginal and might have a noticeable impact on early failures. That would be the responsibility of the laptop vendor to correct, and not Dyson Sphere Project or any other software vendor.

[Conspiracy_Hand]

Reapply thermal paste. It brought my CPU temps down by 10-15 degrees.