Do not refight Merisa Manon and JP. They are Broken and don't fit SF.

[Vayne]

Title.

[Red]

JP fits SF but this game is bad for him since it makes him way too easy to punish. But he can still work with enough skill. He is certainly not broken.

[MagiK]

🧂🥨💦

[Powercrank]

what do you mean, marisas braindead unga bunga whoops i hit you with a random move now you're dead is the epitome of modern street fighter

[MagiK]

does marisa even have a T.O.D.?

[Miz]

Manon is very strong, don't get me wrong, but she's a knowledge check you absolutely can deal with. She just needs you to adapt to her moveset, which is basically why a lot of grapplers and zoners are hated: You can't just follow your usual gameplan, a lot of the time.

Now, I don't rematch JP because I just don't have fun against him, win or lose. It's a frustrating fight no matter what and I'm just not willing to waste my time with that, but they are absolutely beatable and in some matchups downright gimped.

I'll never tell you to rematch something you don't find fun. We all hopefully play games for fun and you certainly should dole out your time the way you choose to.

... however, neither Manon nor JP are 'broken'. They're just a very different challenge than your average brawler or rushdown. Not much different from Dhalsim, Guile, Zangief and other classic characters that break the standard gameplans apart and force you to adapt to a different one to win.

[Vayne]

Well, maybe they aren't broken but fighting them is a chore and is not fun. It just doesn't feel street fighter but rather some boring and annoying mini game.

[Teasing_Pink]

Originally posted by MagiK:

does marisa even have a T.O.D.?

Not at all. Also has some very glaring weaknesses you can exploit, like having a dumpster fire AA game on close jump ins and cross ups, a lot of her buttons aren't special cancellable, so she's very susceptible to drive impacts, especially in neutral when using her longer ranged buttons, and she has no invincible reversals, so when she's under pressure, she's got low jab, and jumping. Also has arguably the worst lvl 1 super in the cast.

If she didn't have her obscene damage potential and strong oki, she'd be awful.

[Red]

Originally posted by Vayne:

Well, maybe they aren't broken but fighting them is a chore and is not fun. It just doesn't feel street fighter but rather some boring and annoying mini game.

Street Fighter is only a fight between a Ryu and a Ken. Right?

[Iphigenie auf THC]

adapt

[Sixtyfivekills]

lmao rekt

[Vayne]

I don't mind losing. I want a fun fight doing so. Fighting these 3 is cancer.

[Forza Piadina]

have you tried Honda and DJ ? That's the meaning of broken dude.
If you mean boring fights than avoid jp, guile, luke and dhalsim.

[Double Jump]

skill issue

[pasta]

I always go next. Manon players too

[Snobby Hobo]

Lol why did you put Marisa in there? Marisa is so obvious and has absolutely no anti-air options. Her superman lunge is annoying, but it's SO SLOW you have literal seconds to react to it. When you jump Marisa is irrelevant.