Think some characters need nerf or buff?

[OyajiBR☕]

I think Jamie's drink combos with overdrive art should add 2 levels of drunkness instead of only 1. He demands a lot of skill to play already, so that'd be good. But that's just me.
Bison might need to get nerfed. I mean, he's too good even for people who don't have him as main. I'm not the first to comment that. But that's still just me.

I played SF my whole life, but never paid much attention to buffs or nerfs before SF6, the first game I play online competitive often. Of course, I'd like opinions from people more familiarised to combos and all.

[🌎Earth]

Ryu needs a lot of buffs, like:

-5HP should reach further and throw small hadokens
-Denjin allow heavy tatsu to be moved manually with directional keys and tumble opponent without PC
-Can shoot light Denjin hadoken behind him and hits the opponent from behind
-Sweep reaches entire screen and is +2minutes on block

[Peddie]

"Huge nerfs"? Bison and Akuma have yet to win a major tournament. Ken already got hit with nerfs in the year 2 update and hasn't been anywhere near the dominant force he was in year 1 in the competitive scene. And for us mere mortals he doesn't need nerfs either, in all ranks above Iron he fails to get above 50% winrate.


That said, the Ryu buff ideas are very good, although I'd also recommend making Hadouken hitscan.

[HomongUS]

Personally, the DLC overlapping / killing the pre-existing roasters is kinda lame.

Bison kills the existence of a high damage character like Marisa. The insane damage and guaranteed pressure with none of the shortcomings she has.

Rashid basically superior Kimberly or what she wishes to be.
-Invul DP
-SA2 that guarantees his turn
-Pressure not tied to resource
-Throw damage with no scaling
-Damage not tied behind SA3 buff
-Has an actual 50/50.
-Has fireball
He's annoying but think giving Kimberly more buff is probably more important. She's drowned in a character concept that is obviously inferior to Rashid.

[Castyles]

Manon obviously needs some buffs.

Even though her medal system is annoying af (because it stacks) it's, pretty much, the only good thing the character has.

[Doc Holiday]

Originally posted by 🌎Earth:

Ryu needs a lot of buffs, like:

-5HP should reach further and throw small hadokens
-Denjin allow heavy tatsu to be moved manually with directional keys and tumble opponent without PC
-Can shoot light Denjin hadoken behind him and hits the opponent from behind
-Sweep reaches entire screen and is +2minutes on block

Hahahaha, you deserved your prize. It reminded me of those Street Fighter 2 hacks with Ryu throwing 5 hadokens on the screen at the same time...

[sougo]

Originally posted by Ron:

All the current S tier characters, Ken, Bison, Akuma, Rashid need huge nerfs.

Agree and add Cammy to that list.

[CHAO$$$]

Originally posted by Peddie:

"Huge nerfs"? Bison and Akuma have yet to win a major tournament.

Please just stop man. You have 100 hours in the game and you clearly dont follow the pro scene at all. Theres other steam hubs that surely would be more fitting than this one.

Bison/Ken literally just won the million dollar tournament.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v28Ka6M9YHI

[Peddie]

Oh the ECW? I ignored that because y'know, don't want to support a blood money tournament. That said, winning a tournament isn't a sign of being OP. Unless you want to argue Lily is OP. Or Cammy, or Blanka, or hecking Zangief. That's just your confirmation bias showing bud.

Originally posted by Ron:

Originally posted by Peddie:

"Huge nerfs"? Bison and Akuma have yet to win a major tournament. Ken already got hit with nerfs in the year 2 update and hasn't been anywhere near the dominant force he was in year 1 in the competitive scene. And for us mere mortals he doesn't need nerfs either, in all ranks above Iron he fails to get above 50% winrate.

That said, the Ryu buff ideas are very good, although I'd also recommend making Hadouken hitscan.

People defending S tier characters is hilarious.

Most pros put Bison somewhere in 6th through 10th because his defence game is a bit of a disaster without an invincible reversal.

[OyajiBR☕]

I noticed that Chun Li's helicopter kicks with overdrive art do less damage than without overdrive. Definitely need to fix that.

[Peddie]

Yeah no, that's because the real value in EX Spinning Bird Kick is that it can be combo'd into all sorts of things, not least of which supers. That's the real value of using the drive gauge over a regular Spinning Bird Kick. Making that do more damage and still let it combo into things would basically make her instant top 3 material.

[OyajiBR☕]

Originally posted by Peddie:

Yeah no, that's because the real value in EX Spinning Bird Kick is that it can be combo'd into all sorts of things, not least of which supers. That's the real value of using the drive gauge over a regular Spinning Bird Kick. Making that do more damage and still let it combo into things would basically make her instant top 3 material.

Thanks. I'll go train the move a little further.

[Peddie]

Welcome, but since I'm a sucker for crunching numbers, a pretty easy punish counter combo for say, a reckless fireball would be jump-in HK, 2HP, EX SBK, Level 3

Right now that does a respectable 5300 damage, but if the EX SBK would do more damage than regular HK SBK (1680), so let's say 1800, the total combo damage would be propelled to 5972, so in a CA situation that would crest over the 6k damage mark, that would be, even speaking as a Chun-Li main, a little much for such a straightforward combo.