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Luke modern for example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKnGyiuM4DA&t=42s
Cammy modern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX12aQ71zfQ&t=81s
Here are the classic versions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O0vieaTebQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbB7yJykN48
Something different will get hate thats just how it is. funny thing most people upset over modern users are classic users that spammed in placement matches and haven't gained a single star in rank since and you know who you are
I'd put Lily lower but that's probably just my own bias. If I just spam Spire into Typhoon or something gross like that, she's probably not as tough as I make her (by trying to create links/combos where probably none exist).
Gief should be higher imo. I practiced while queuing ranked and got placed in Bronze. Higher placed than my Marisa who I did the same thing with.
I think Gief leads the lower tier, but this game with DR and DI low tiers mean something different.
I didn't miss it. I'm saying Honda being in "best" is 100% wrong. He should be in worst, because you're giving up free 20% damage for no change in play. You're just nerfing yourself for the heck of it. There is no benefit, so saying he's "best" is objectively wrong.
It's impressive that you're right but don't understand that. He's ranked among the best by OP because he loses no moves, etc. Which isn't true because he loses sumo slam, neko damashi and praise the sun. OP's assessment of all the characters is iffy but you outright don't understand the goal of the topic. It's to assess the best characters on Modern controls versus the worst. "Just play Classic" has no place here.
I hate that I have to keep justifying myself...
I *DO* get it. He's wrong. And you aren't getting it. Forget if he has all his moves and everything, there is zero difference between modern and classic honda. All the charge characters actually are in that weird flux with modern controls. Saying honda is in the "best to use with modern" is wrong, because for the EXACT SAME GAME PLAY, but with a 20% damage increase, you can just play classic. So ranking him high on modern is, once again, wrong.
He doesn't belong on top, its objectively worse to play him on modern. You saying "it has not place here" is wrong, simply because the game play, buttons, everything is. the. same.
EDIT: You know what. okay, you're right, I'm wrong. Whatever. Sure, play modern honda, he's high tier on it, because I can't seem to explain in a way for you to comprehend without being totally pedantic.
With that said, to understand the list properly, first you have to understand the stereotypical casual mentality, which is, pretty much, just based around the "pump and dump" motto.
In other words, the stereotypical casual don't care for lessons. They don't know footwork, mind-games and so on and so forth. They don't even know how to react properly when cornered. They don't use 90% of the Drive mechanics, save for DI and they don't even know how to roll, after a fall. They couldn't give a rat's ass about "etiquette", either.
The stereotypical casual just storms into the game, button mash their way to victory (or loss), refuse to elaborate further and leave hence why the rushdown characters are the perfect match for them. The only thing that matters is if they're having fun. Period. The majority of you may even know them as "scrubs".
Now some important points:
-Juri's specials can easily rank her into tier S but they, alone, don't win matches. Same for Chun-Li.
-Cammy has no modern combos of her own (and when I say modern combos I mean a single button that requires no directional inputs) but pretty much her entire moveset makes up for it.
-Prior to said list, I said Lily was bad a couple of times because I only played her style for a bit on World Tour before actually picking her up for the arcade/story mode. Long story short, she got ranked the second best character of mine, points-wise and she's not even my main.
-Dhalsim is on the top of the bad because the only thing that ends up ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the character is the fact that he's always in slow motion so it feels really strange to play him once you get used to all the quick characters i.e pretty much the entire roster. Plus the fact that he requires thinking out of the box, given some of his special moves. So not really casual friendly.
-Zangief just HAS to get close and personal to work properly but can quickly be dispatched, given the amount of projectiles in the game. He's a paper tiger or a glass cannon sort of character. Not friendly to casuals.
If you switch to Classic, you have to do the Classic inputs. On Modern you just direction+Y. From the simplest metric your suggestion and assertion is wrong.
Why would I play on Modern but do Classic inputs? That's worth doing on easy input CAs and not much else. Miss me inputting a 720 for 20% increase.
Adding detail to your argument isn't needlessly pedantic, it's basic debate.
By points do you mean Kudos or League Points? Or, the horror, Arcade Score? If your only frame of reference is ease of beating the AI then this entire list can be dismissed. Though such dismissal is the standard response to all tier lists.
If I tell you he has TWO moves, does it even matter or do you want to keep going? I give up, seriously. I already said you win, my whole thing went over your head which means nobody probably got it, I just give up.
You're making this a classic vs modern thing when you don't even seem to realize OP isn't doing a classic vs modern thing or that modern controls on these chars > classic controls.
Modern requires significantly less inputs and Honda has a lot of his good tools that allow you to win. He doesn't lose TOO much, therefore he's a good modern character.
No idea why you're starting to compare this with classic as OP isn't even debating that.