DI ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sucks

[Snobby Hobo]

Started off cautiously because I didn't know the consequences of it, but I've gone from being confused about it to disliking to absolutely hating it.

It completely kills non-canceleable pokes to the point of why do they even exist? It flattens the game for no payoff. DR I dislike, but at least it opens new avenues. For DI I see absolutely no appeal.

[HellwasHere]

I agree with you fully, even though you didnt made it very clear in your post why this mechanic sucks and yes it sucks a LOT, people in this thread also dont seem to get a grasp on why it actualy makes this game unfun to play EVEN when you KNOW how to deal with it, its just makes the game boring and like some smart but rare players said, it destroys a lot of the core gameplay when it resolves to much around it to win a match.

I wont go into detail on why this mechanic sucks so much, im sure eventualy everyone that is smart enough will get there and realize how bad it is, once they actualy reach not only a decent rank but also a decent level of play, because in this game, if you are lucky enough and get to fight 5 ppl in a row that dont know how to deal with DI abut are actualy solid at playing the core SF game, you will reach plat like its nothing, and thats another issue.

Ill add you if you are interested in discussing it and how to deal with it, maybe we can even play a few matches, just because you had the balls to say it sucks, most people like maximilian dude and daigo and what not (content creators, pro players) are on capcoms payroll and live by these games, its their job, so they wont say anything too bad about it, this mechanic is as bad if not worst than tekken's 8 rage arts, yes you can deal with it, but it would be a much better game without it, and a lot of ppl wouldnt get some free wins and rank ups due to not having it at their disposal, and this is why you will see a lot of ppl defending it, its also as bad as dragon rush on DBZF, whole reason i dropped that game, it seems devs have these features implemented these days to catter to low common denominator, and those players will defend them either because they are too invested (money, favourite streamer says its fine) or they just use it as a crutch against other bad players and rank up easier, so its good for them, its a vicious cycle.

We can only hope they make it a 3 bar cost or just entired rework it, i think even if it costs 3 bars it will stil lead up to some zangief doing it on you and taking more than half your Hp with 2 commands, its just not a fun mechanic, i saw this day one on the beta and some others werent afraid to say so, but its scary the lack of ppl talking seriously about this mechanic, its either they are on the payroll or they are that bad they dont care or crutch over it.

[Connatic]

Originally posted by HellwasHere:

I wont go into detail on why this mechanic sucks so much...

... but it would be a much better game without it, and a lot of ppl wouldnt get some free wins and rank ups due to not having it at their disposal, and this is why you will see a lot of ppl defending it, its also as bad as dragon rush on DBZF, whole reason i dropped that game, it seems devs have these features implemented these days to catter to low common denominator...

If you're gonna spend the time to insult proponents of the new mechanic, you might as well go into detail on why you think sucks.

Personally I don't see the big deal. For me it's just another layer of mind games. I'm a noob still in Iron, and it certainly doesn't give me free wins.

[HellwasHere]

Originally posted by Connatic:

Originally posted by HellwasHere:

I wont go into detail on why this mechanic sucks so much...

... but it would be a much better game without it, and a lot of ppl wouldnt get some free wins and rank ups due to not having it at their disposal, and this is why you will see a lot of ppl defending it, its also as bad as dragon rush on DBZF, whole reason i dropped that game, it seems devs have these features implemented these days to catter to low common denominator...

If you're gonna spend the time to insult proponents of the new mechanic, you might as well go into detail on why you think sucks.

Personally I don't see the big deal. For me it's just another layer of mind games. I'm a noob still in Iron, and it certainly doesn't give me free wins.

Theres been plenty of explanation why it sucks, and anyone that doesnt see it or needs explanation doesnt know the game properly in the first place, im playing diamond matches atm and im seeing the same issues i saw in gold, i placed silver and climbed to diamond.

Anyone defending this mechanic is either not knowledgable enough about the game or just plain out is benefiting from it, if you are not benefiting from it on iron, i dont know what to tell you, once u understand it, you can even win games against ppl that are actualy better than you at core mechanics and combos but fail to abuse DI, yes, this mechanic is abusable and is not ALWAYS reactable like many claim it to be, there are specific sets of circumstances, moves and chars that cannot and will not react to it or break it no matter how hard you try, the pros dont go into it in detail, but if u google around you will see at least 1 or 2 videos breaking down how broken this mechanic is, and most chars outside the beta roster are mostly in need of a balance patch too, the reason they are not an issue as big is because most ppl play the classic chars and been grinding that cr4cked beta chars.


Pros are on the payroll and bad/grifers are couping that now they reach ranks they shouldnt because of this mechanic alone, i would go also out on a limb and call it RNG based at times, not always, but at diamond its one big waiting game to see who does it first and even than its a coin toss, its a random element, the game would be much better off without it, but sure, at some point if i hate it it that much ill just drop the game, but im enjoying the discussions about it and im still climbing, doesnt mean i like it, the worst ones are the lower ranks couping with it or worst, relying on it to win matches, and sure , ur opponent can learn to counter it and it will, at that point those players quit, theres already ppl complaining a lack of iron/bronze players, because once that gimick goes away and it doesnt work, ppl that actualy know how to use it, will completely not let you move up in rank, at least until silver/gold.

[RetroKid]

The mechanic doesn't invalidate pokes or buttons...it invalidates mindlessly mashing them any time you want. In every iteration of street fighter before this one, you could press low forward like 3-4 times in a row and just push the opponent away and create space. You could also throw it out over and over again and hope to connect into a confirmed super. Mashing buttons let you hope to get trade into super or fish for counterhits lazily and without frame traps too.

Now, if you want to harass with a button, you can't mash. Why do people have such a problem with that? I mean, press any button you'd like and set the CPU dummy to react with DI. You can recover from any normal move into your own DI. How is this unfair? The only thing is doing is showing how predictable, mashy and flowchart some players are on offense. Now people are upset that they have to think about the button they want to throw out, instead of mindlessly throwing out their best buttons over and over again?

[The_Dybbuk_King]

Originally posted by HellwasHere:

Originally posted by Connatic:

If you're gonna spend the time to insult proponents of the new mechanic, you might as well go into detail on why you think sucks.

Personally I don't see the big deal. For me it's just another layer of mind games. I'm a noob still in Iron, and it certainly doesn't give me free wins.

Theres been plenty of explanation why it sucks, and anyone that doesnt see it or needs explanation doesnt know the game properly in the first place, im playing diamond matches atm and im seeing the same issues i saw in gold, i placed silver and climbed to diamond.

Anyone defending this mechanic is either not knowledgable enough about the game or just plain out is benefiting from it, if you are not benefiting from it on iron, i dont know what to tell you, once u understand it, you can even win games against ppl that are actualy better than you at core mechanics and combos but fail to abuse DI, yes, this mechanic is abusable and is not ALWAYS reactable like many claim it to be, there are specific sets of circumstances, moves and chars that cannot and will not react to it or break it no matter how hard you try, the pros dont go into it in detail, but if u google around you will see at least 1 or 2 videos breaking down how broken this mechanic is, and most chars outside the beta roster are mostly in need of a balance patch too, the reason they are not an issue as big is because most ppl play the classic chars and been grinding that cr4cked beta chars.


Pros are on the payroll and bad/grifers are couping that now they reach ranks they shouldnt because of this mechanic alone, i would go also out on a limb and call it RNG based at times, not always, but at diamond its one big waiting game to see who does it first and even than its a coin toss, its a random element, the game would be much better off without it, but sure, at some point if i hate it it that much ill just drop the game, but im enjoying the discussions about it and im still climbing, doesnt mean i like it, the worst ones are the lower ranks couping with it or worst, relying on it to win matches, and sure , ur opponent can learn to counter it and it will, at that point those players quit, theres already ppl complaining a lack of iron/bronze players, because once that gimick goes away and it doesnt work, ppl that actualy know how to use it, will completely not let you move up in rank, at least until silver/gold.

LMFAO the OS this guy has come up with is great. "If they beat me with DI, the mechanic sucks. If they don't use it and beat me, its because of the Cracked beta. YT told me so it must be true."

Yeah, totally dude.

https://youtu.be/QPCZF_0vGVk

[Connatic]

Originally posted by HellwasHere:

... i dont know what to tell you, once u understand it, you can even win games against ppl that are actualy better than you at core mechanics and combos but fail to abuse DI, yes, this mechanic is abusable and is not ALWAYS reactable like many claim it to be, there are specific sets of circumstances, moves and chars that cannot and will not react to it or break it no matter how hard you try...

I mean unsafe moves/combos, with counters you can't react to have always existed. You don't do the unsafe stuff unless you are ready to risk it and play some mind games.

[Grimgrents]

Get good

[Samvega]

I just played two Iron ranked matches in a row, and the only DI was one I threw out to check the other player.

When I do get DI heavy matches, I adapt and learn to counter them. I'm 40 years old, it's not impossible to react to.

[Connatic]

Originally posted by Gyoza Fairy:

Did you see Blanka at CEO top 8? What'd you think that was?

...

There are more than 8 characters in the game?

[RetroKid]

Literally just played a zangief who would DI on wake-up EVERY TIME. I'll be honest, I got hit 3 times and lost the round...then I started to empty jump and throw them.

Then they started using it to counter my standing forward kick, because I was throwing it out mindlessly one after the other to check them and control spacing. Again, I fixed it by throwing out one and waiting, then countering with my own DI.

Long story short, if you get hit, there's a reason. Knee jerk reaction is to call it scrubby, but honestly, it does teach you about your play style and how quickly you can pick up pattern recognition. Bad habits are bad habits, and just because they worked in prior iterations, it doesn't mean they should work in this one. New game, new habits, new approach.

[Kamu Da Finka]

Originally posted by Maxx_Crowley:

Originally posted by Kookoo:

That's retarded.
This game is already figured out.

Spam cancelable pokes and anticipate Drive-Impact spam.

Ooooh, so genius and impeccable design!
Negate 80% of neutral buttons narrowing it down to a select few pokes the entire match.
Wow, much variety!

I'm currently Plat ranked and it STILL plays like that.
Obviously Diamond+ people are getting into a whole different tier where scrub stuff is beneath them and doesn't bother them.
But the vast majority of us will never reach that level and this ♥♥♥♥-tastic heavy Drive-Impact reliant gameplay is getting BORING.

Regardless if spamming it yields any results for the person abusing it.
You just see it too much because it's only 1-bar cost and sets you up for wayyyy too much free damage.
Zero damage scaling.

See? Anything that riles people up this much?

You know your doing something right.

And don't come at me with "variety". This is a fighting game.

Man pick a FG, ANY FG, and look up videos for it.

You'll see what? Match after match after match of people using the exact same combo's over and over again, because that's the "Optimal" way to play.

Fighting game players can take a character who has 40 special moves, and 600 combos and boil it all down to 3 moves, and 2 combos.

If your already BORED dealing with DI after what? 2 weeks? Then you'll be BORED dealing with whatever could or would replace it.

So I guess you gotta move on and get BORED with something else.

All I know is, were I a dev who had worked on this game, reactions like yours would have me grinning like a madman. Because I'd know IT WORKED.

They added the "awesome" button to SF6, but let's be real. The only people who think this button is bronze ass Ken because they finally got some random ♥♥♥♥ to throw out after DP.

You suck ass at FGs? Random as ♥♥♥♥ and dumb as hell? Don't wanna learn combos? Don't wanna lab literally anything? Wanna spend all your time in the rip-off bad Yakuza single player content?

Great game for you.

[eris]

Originally posted by Gyoza Fairy:

Originally posted by 6:

matches often come down to a single di near the wall or a combo reset into di and reacting to a 20 frame unblockable mid combo/blockstring is really difficult

If you pressed a button that IS NOT DI cancelable, you cannot react. That's also the problem currently. Every single damn button needs to cancel into DI if Capcom is going to design the game like this.

If every button canceled into DI, anyone who presses the button first just loses, defeating the entire purpose of the mechanic.

[The_Dybbuk_King]

Originally posted by Gyoza Fairy:

Originally posted by Maxx_Crowley:

See? Anything that riles people up this much?

You know your doing something right.

And don't come at me with "variety". This is a fighting game.

Man pick a FG, ANY FG, and look up videos for it.

You'll see what? Match after match after match of people using the exact same combo's over and over again, because that's the "Optimal" way to play.

Fighting game players can take a character who has 40 special moves, and 600 combos and boil it all down to 3 moves, and 2 combos.

If your already BORED dealing with DI after what? 2 weeks? Then you'll be BORED dealing with whatever could or would replace it.

So I guess you gotta move on and get BORED with something else.

All I know is, were I a dev who had worked on this game, reactions like yours would have me grinning like a madman. Because I'd know IT WORKED.

They added the "awesome" button to SF6, but let's be real. The only people who think this button is bronze ass Ken because they finally got some random ♥♥♥♥ to throw out after DP.

You suck ass at FGs? Random as ♥♥♥♥ and dumb as hell? Don't wanna learn combos? Don't wanna lab literally anything? Wanna spend all your time in the rip-off bad Yakuza single player content?

Great game for you.

Oh hey, you're back. Still whining instead of labbing DI punishes. Bronze ass kens beating you must mean you are bronze yourself. Good thing you can't derank, right? Lmao

[Kamu Da Finka]

Originally posted by mactera:

Originally posted by Gyoza Fairy:

If you pressed a button that IS NOT DI cancelable, you cannot react. That's also the problem currently. Every single damn button needs to cancel into DI if Capcom is going to design the game like this.

If every button canceled into DI, anyone who presses the button first just loses, defeating the entire purpose of the mechanic.

Have you seen the "neutral" drive rush into everything or throw out your best heavy button which moves you forward (and has a DI cancel) so everyone winds up in the corner playing light jab fighter (which you can also DI cancel from). It's really bad.

Originally posted by The_Dybbuk_King:

Originally posted by Gyoza Fairy:

They added the "awesome" button to SF6, but let's be real. The only people who think this button is bronze ass Ken because they finally got some random ♥♥♥♥ to throw out after DP.

You suck ass at FGs? Random as ♥♥♥♥ and dumb as hell? Don't wanna learn combos? Don't wanna lab literally anything? Wanna spend all your time in the rip-off bad Yakuza single player content?

Great game for you.

Oh hey, you're back. Still whining instead of labbing DI punishes. Bronze ass kens beating you must mean you are bronze yourself. Good thing you can't derank, right? Lmao

Hit plat, but yes I could derank from that. I stopped playing rank (and really the game at this point) until they resolved the game breaking OS that auto-techs and blocks every shimmy though. This ♥♥♥♥ IS broken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd0iMcDBbvQ

Why do you assume I'm terrible at the game? I can win matches. I just don't *enjoy* the game. There's a difference, no? People can also sell insurance and complain about selling insurance not being fulfilling. Can I get Diamond or Master with Hunga, Blenka or JP? Sure. Everyone is pretty free to them. You're pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by those characters if you have burnout too.

[Scrub]

Hunga and Blenka