How does one win with lily

[matilda]

I did placements and got ranked in diamond, proceeded to get stomped and perfected for 2 hours straight, can't seem to understand her gameplan yet since she can only be offensive while she has wind stocks, why does an ehonda headbutt even beat her ex charge while using a stock?

[Holografix]

why are you diamond?

anyway, i main Lily too (4 star Silver) her strategy is to use her Condor Wind in a combo, so you can buff wind stocks safely. so, standing medium punch, or heavy punch into Condor Wind. Her reach is good, so poke away. Her anti-air is good -- Crouching Heavy Punch, and she has a very strong command throw Mexican Typhoon. Get a wind stock, do a Condor Spire, you're +1 on Block, so cue up Mexican Typhoon and slam them.

[Prismatic Lollipop]

Originally posted by matilda:

I did placements and got ranked in diamond, proceeded to get stomped and perfected for 2 hours straight, can't seem to understand her gameplan yet since she can only be offensive while she has wind stocks, why does an ehonda headbutt even beat her ex charge while using a stock?

it's her normals that are strong.
you should definitely play more defensively and absolutely not challenge Honda's headbutt.

[OgichiGame]

Idk what the best options are since I don't play her, but I personally have trouble dealing with her command grab range. It's always just a little longer than I think it is. I typically get grabbed right on the edge of it. If the opponent is close enough to hit you, you're probably in range for it. You can combo into it too, even on block since it's a grab. That's about all I know about her. Don't see too many.

For E Honda specifically, this might help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie9zy12IBVs

[matilda]

Originally posted by Holografix:

why are you diamond?

anyway, i main Lily too (4 star Silver) her strategy is to use her Condor Wind in a combo, so you can buff wind stocks safely. so, standing medium punch, or heavy punch into Condor Wind. Her reach is good, so poke away. Her anti-air is good -- Crouching Heavy Punch, and she has a very strong command throw Mexican Typhoon. Get a wind stock, do a Condor Spire, you're +1 on Block, so cue up Mexican Typhoon and slam them.

I'm guessing I'm diamond cause in placements I beat one I'm guessing, the whole footsies idea I understand but having pokes beat out my dive, the corner game doesn't feel as good as other characters because of having to charge the spire, and reversals removing the advantage I get along with taking one of my stocks is really frustrating. I keep watching pro players play her and I just don't understand

[Holografix]

Originally posted by matilda:

Originally posted by Holografix:

why are you diamond?

anyway, i main Lily too (4 star Silver) her strategy is to use her Condor Wind in a combo, so you can buff wind stocks safely. so, standing medium punch, or heavy punch into Condor Wind. Her reach is good, so poke away. Her anti-air is good -- Crouching Heavy Punch, and she has a very strong command throw Mexican Typhoon. Get a wind stock, do a Condor Spire, you're +1 on Block, so cue up Mexican Typhoon and slam them.

I'm guessing I'm diamond cause in placements I beat one I'm guessing, the whole footsies idea I understand but having pokes beat out my dive, the corner game doesn't feel as good as other characters because of having to charge the spire, and reversals removing the advantage I get along with taking one of my stocks is really frustrating. I keep watching pro players play her and I just don't understand

i'm sure that part of the problem is that you were too good in placements and ended up skipping over Gold rank which is where you could have learned how play Lily against people who are relatively competent players. Diamond is where players have the basics down, and know how to counter specific moves like Lily's Condor Spire.

she's not an easy character to win with. i am STRUGGLING to get out of 4 star Silver with her. i think the key thing is to hit-confirm into Condor Wind. In the corner, her pressure with crouching light punch, and crouching medium is strong. Granted, her corner game isn't like Jaime's or Blanka's but you gotta work with what you got. Like rogers mentioned, her Mexican Typhoon has long reach. Her OD Condor Spire passes through projectiles, and her windmill jumping attack (down+heavy punch while jumping) has incredible cross-up potential.

Lily is a great character and i really like her. Keep at it, and i'm sure you'll get better.

[matilda]

Originally posted by Holografix:

Originally posted by matilda:

I'm guessing I'm diamond cause in placements I beat one I'm guessing, the whole footsies idea I understand but having pokes beat out my dive, the corner game doesn't feel as good as other characters because of having to charge the spire, and reversals removing the advantage I get along with taking one of my stocks is really frustrating. I keep watching pro players play her and I just don't understand

i'm sure that part of the problem is that you were too good in placements and ended up skipping over Gold rank which is where you could have learned how play Lily against people who are relatively competent players. Diamond is where players have the basics down, and know how to counter specific moves like Lily's Condor Spire.

she's not an easy character to win with. i am STRUGGLING to get out of 4 star Silver with her. i think the key thing is to hit-confirm into Condor Wind. In the corner, her pressure with crouching light punch, and crouching medium is strong. Granted, her corner game isn't like Jaime's or Blanka's but you gotta work with what you got. Like rogers mentioned, her Mexican Typhoon has long reach. Her OD Condor Spire passes through projectiles, and her windmill jumping attack (down+heavy punch while jumping) has incredible cross-up potential.

Lily is a great character and i really like her. Keep at it, and i'm sure you'll get better. :dscheer:

I'll try my best brother, I will climb back to diamond some day, till then, we grind.

[brodc]

Originally posted by matilda:

I did placements and got ranked in diamond, proceeded to get stomped and perfected for 2 hours straight, can't seem to understand her gameplan yet since she can only be offensive while she has wind stocks, why does an ehonda headbutt even beat her ex charge while using a stock?

Lily is a terrible character and just about everything beats her ex charges.

[Zapato]

Originally posted by Holografix:

Her OD Condor Spire passes through projectiles,

Only if you have wind charges.
Lili is pretty weak, her high normals are good but her lows are stubby, he relies too much on wind charges and doesn't have an invincible reversal. Also her supers are meh. If you get rush down is really hard to break free.

[schisch]

lily gameplan?
build wind charges
c.lp.clk condor spire

rinse repeat