Why is Terry's Burn Knuckle *THAT* much better than Jamie's palm?

[Nomad]

Neither of these characters are top tier, I'm just trying to wrap my head around balancing. BK doesn't get a light variant, but its medium version travels further, activates its hitbox earlier, and is easier to space than both Jamie's light and medium palms on all counts. Why? Especially on a character who has a fireball/dp game and and a walkable ex fireball. He has other options to get in and he has great normals to play neutral with.

This isn't complaining about Terry btw, its more comparing Jamie to the rest of the roster that share some elements and consistently finding Jamie lacking despite not having a fireball or particularly good neutral options and a sub standard dp.

[mrobson83]

It’s because Terry’s knuckles are on fire whereas Jamie is an athletic alcoholic.

[Nomad]

Originally posted by mrobson83:

It’s because Terry’s knuckles are on fire whereas Jamie is an athletic alcoholic.

Alcohol is flammable, we can work with this

[Danny DeVito with a Gun]

If I had to figure out legitimate reasons and not just default to “lol, Jamie” (but still lol, Jamie)

You already kinda pointed it out but Jamie gets 3 normal versions of palm while Terry gets 2 burn knuckles. The heavy version is very telegraphed but it’s at least always safe.

The pushback on palm can give Jamie space traps

Fwiw, palm gives Jamie better knockdown adv than burn knuckle does for Terry

Maybe the devs value the extra follow up Jamie gets when he’s at 4 drinks

Those are some things that come to mind. But yeah, I still think burn knuckle is an overall better special move than Jamie’s palm. While on the topic of moves it outclasses, it’s a better version of Honda’s headbutt too

[The Main Character]

How come Jaime can do that command grab and Terry not?!

Jaime and Terry are both fine.

[Nomad]

Originally posted by Daily Ritual Player:

How come Jaime can do that command grab and Terry not?!

Jaime and Terry are both fine.

He literally can't in most rounds

[The Main Character]

Originally posted by Nomad:

Originally posted by Daily Ritual Player:

How come Jaime can do that command grab and Terry not?!

Jaime and Terry are both fine.

He literally can't in most rounds

And Terry can’t in all rounds! :(
Why Terry can’t drink? 😜

[Doc Holiday]

Because Terry already had his iconic Burn Knuckle 30 years ago, while the genius who designed the lovely Jamie was still in his father's nutsack back then.

Yeah, we Terry players have the awesome Burn Knuckle, Ex fireball drive rush. Counter hit MK xx Bustah Wolf. Special LVL 2 than can be extended and do loads of damage.
We Terry players deserve the best.
Sorry about your Jamie. 😎

[Mr. World]

Originally posted by mrobson83:

It’s because Terry’s knuckles are on fire whereas Jamie is an athletic alcoholic.

High functioning alcoholic.

[OgichiGame]

Both of these characters are bottom tier, so palm isn't the thing holding Jamie back

[Danny DeVito with a Gun]

Originally posted by OgichiGame.YT:

Both of these characters are bottom tier, so palm isn't the thing holding Jamie back

Terry’s definitely not bottom tier. It’s been enough time that most would agree with mid tier

[Taisetsu na Miko]

Because Jamie can get a double attack when it is upgraded. I think it is one of the many small traits that are used to make level 4 look much stronger than level 0. Also, it might hurt the move visually. Jamie at the very least succeeds in having a stylish moveset and I think making the move more instant like Burn Knuckle would be hard. And while Jamie's move may not be as good for spacing or whatever, the Overdrive version gives you two free drinks on hit in addition to allowing for good combo potential (similar to Marisa's flying punch).

[X]

Originally posted by Danny DeVito with a Gun:

Originally posted by OgichiGame.YT:

Both of these characters are bottom tier, so palm isn't the thing holding Jamie back

Terry’s definitely not bottom tier. It’s been enough time that most would agree with mid tier

Topangas latest tier list has him only above Honda Marissa Jaimie, in that order.

[Danny DeVito with a Gun]

Originally posted by X:

Originally posted by Danny DeVito with a Gun:

Terry’s definitely not bottom tier. It’s been enough time that most would agree with mid tier

Topangas latest tier list has him only above Honda Marissa Jaimie, in that order.

I know and they’re wrong too. They were calling Ryu bottom 3-5 for almost 2 years. Japan’s always severely underrated characters that don’t have big followings in that region

Kintyo-ru is the best online Terry in Japan and he puts him around upper mid. And for what it’s worth, Terry has won two regional events for the CPT. One of those wins was by Oil King